09 February 2021, 02:34 | #161 |
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What killed Amiga wasnt Doom and while i would like to say was Commodore it was good innovative games that the Amiga was incapable of rendering effeciently.
Doom pushed the boundries, the appetite for 3D gaming was strong the PC delivered that until the PS1 came along. There were various "3D" consoled in the mid term but those failed to deliver. As much as i love the Amigs, it just could not compete, it was way ahead of the competition in 85 but in 92 was desperately lagging. |
23 February 2021, 15:28 | #162 |
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I don't wanna flex or anything, but my Amiga can run Quake :0
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The A1200 with Blizzard PPC / Bvision I once had ran Quake pretty smooth actually. (Once you installed the correct drivers, put some extra fans on it, upgraded the power supply, added some extra power wires and when mars and venus aligned correctly that is) |
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23 February 2021, 17:14 | #164 |
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Bruce, I slept on this. And now as I prepare for my own A1000 adventure, I have had the time to evaluate what you have done here closer, and have to tip my hat to you sir. Especially with the power supply - which I cannot do myself. However, I will do my best to impress! To be continued. |
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I've always thought if Commodore would have gone to the x86 cpu's with a full x86 native port of Workbench they would have made it until 2020's Covid disaster. I jumped ship the same week Windows 98 second edition hit the market. I was saving up for a DKB Wildfire060 card to put in my A2500. When the time came time to decide if I want to pay $2000.00 for an 060 card or build a pc, I went with the pc. $2000.00usd was a decent amount of money in the late nineties. My 2500 wasn't ridiculously slow but, times were achanging and it was either keep up with the times or be left behind. It had a CSA Derringer 030/50/50 accelerator with a 32megabyte 60ns 72pin simm. I gave the stock 030 cpu card it came with to a friend with a bone stock 2000. It also had a P-IV video card, I used a butchers knife to 'modify' the scan doubler off the card so it'll work in Z-II mode compatible with the A2xxx series. Prior to the P-IV I suffered with interlaced 640x400 on a 1084s. The thought of a flicker free higher rez workbench with more than 16 colors appealed alot to me at that time. I bought a very heavy 20inch crt monitor to go with the card. After getting used to how slow the P-IV is in ZII mode I was a little bummed by its less than stellar performance. Oh well, live&learn. I also had a DKB RapidFire SCSI-II card in it, I loved the RapidFire card it worked well an external ZipDrive and internal CD-R drive. Before the rapidfire I had the stock scsi the 2500 comes with which wasn't fast at all. The RapidFire was noticeably faster. Right now I'm trying to make a stable WinUAE install of WB3.1 to fart around with. Why must AWeb and IBrowse require so many external libs and gui files. Last edited by ShenLong; 24 February 2021 at 03:49. Reason: Durp! |
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I think an A500 with ECS released in say 1986, which would have been doable I think, would have made a world of difference. Without either a text mode like the IBM AT or non-interlaced higher resolution graphics modes like the Mac had I don't see how the Amiga could have broken out of being a niche. It is baffling that it took Commodore so long to release ECS and the Amiga 500. |
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24 February 2021, 12:20 | #167 | |
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be sure that setting up a 1993 Win3.1 and netscape config would be equally as fun |
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24 February 2021, 23:26 | #168 | |
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I tried Novacoders AmiDoom too. I won't be doing the mac or pc emulator with Netscape thing via emulation. I did plenty of that when I ran the real Amiga hardware. Last edited by ShenLong; 24 February 2021 at 23:28. Reason: Derp |
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The Atari ST had a non-interlaced higher resolution graphics mode. Did this enable it to break out of its 'niche'? Quote:
There was little point in releasing another Amiga model before the OS was stable, so the reason for the two years delay has to be - because it took them that long to produce an OS stable enough to put into ROM. Perhaps if Commodore had followed the PC way of doing it and produced a purely disk-based OS they could have released the A500 earlier. But would we have wanted that? As for the time frame, Microsoft Windows Quote:
But what about ECS? Surely Commodore could have a produced an enhanced chipset a lot sooner? I mean, 3 years from the previous chipset improvement (1987 to 1990) - what took them so long? IBM introduced the Color Graphics Adapter (CGA) in August 1981 with the PC, but didn't have a monitor for it until March 1983. Until then customers were expected to either buy a suitable 3rd party monitor, or connect it to a TV (NTSC only!) via the composite output. The next graphics card IBM produced was the Enhanced Graphics Adapter (EGA), released in October 1984. This was an 8 bit card with 64k RAM on board, which enabled a maximum resolution of 640×350 in 4 colors. It obviously wasn't TV compatible, so they had to produce yet another monitor to support it. It is baffling that it took IBM over 3 years after introducing CGA to produce a color card with non-interlace hires output. |
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Bruce Abbott, I got it! I found a way to really step up the game! PREPARE YOURSELF! If spring doesn't come too soon, I'll get it done. It will be amazing! OH...SO SO GOOD! Trust me, the hype is worth it on this idea. SO EVIL, it is AMAZING!
Thanks for the A1600 shots, they came in really useful in determining that he ports on the 600/1200 motherboards are a bit higher and thus ports on my custom plate need to be moved up 2mm before I cut it. |
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Betraying the Amiga by playing a game that wasn't the cause for killing it? The Amiga was dying anyway, because of bad decisions from Commodore. Blaming it on DOOM is not fair, as it was bound to happen anyway.
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03 March 2021, 12:15 | #172 |
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Doom should have come out on Amiga around the same time as PC and Mac versions. It may have had a similar effect and got people to buy those accelerator upgrades. Or maybe that money was better spent on buying a pc anyway!
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The Masters of Doom book mentions them dealing with an Amiga specialist at one point, but the name Amiga only gets one mention in the whole book, and that it was a console. WTAF? |
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03 March 2021, 20:04 | #174 |
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I wouldn't think anyone was willing to play doom at 3 frames an hour back then.
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Many PC users ran Doom on 386SX's that could only manage a few frames per second in the smallest window size. Why? Because they could, and since Doom was shareware it cost them nothing to try. But without an Amiga version none of us could try it, even if we had an Amiga that might be more capable than most PC owners had. |
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04 March 2021, 00:20 | #177 |
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Don't forget that back in the day we were far more tolerant of low frame rates. My PC was slow when DOOM was released but I was still blown away and played it to death.
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04 March 2021, 03:54 | #179 |
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Actually I was just playing the excellent Back to Saturn on my Amiga using ZDOOM RTG
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@ Novacoder - most impressive.
Maybe one day we can have GZDoom or LZDoom running! |
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