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Thomas "ThoR" Richter, Olaf "olsen" Barthel, Stephan Rupprecht, etc. have released updates for AmigaOS 3.9 modules after the last official Boing Ball update. There are several other bug fix patches which seem to be stable. |
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There's ClassAct and other options. And it doesn't matter if what I use is old, if it works fine for me. I don't use my Amiga for everyday. modern shit that my PC is for. Quote:
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3.9 hasn't been updated since the beginning of the century, though Olsen does tend to components he made, such as the Shell.
I thought they updated DOS as well, it being the least beloved part of AmigaOS, but perhaps they didn't. But if you do want to avoid ugly patches, I think 3.9 is the way to go. Updated functionality is integrated in the OS, not patched onto 3.1, and it's easy to prune down the eye candy. And I really like the new Workbench. Just being able to open a Workbench window from the shell is pure gold. |
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Os 3.1 is a hybrid and obsolete system, can not be updated to OS 3.5/3.9 (3.5 and 3.9 will not be installed properly). For an expanded Amiga the best solution is the 3.9 + BB-1-2-3-4; OS3.1 Does not support many modern applications and does not enjoy applications that came with 3.9.
MUI Is an excellent software, If you have one AMiGA expanded and embellish makes the system more functional, see video: [ Show youtube player ] Last edited by AMIGASYSTEM; 16 August 2017 at 13:12. |
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If you do find 3.9 for sale somewhere, it's either NOS or reproduced (presumably under a separate licence). In either case, it's probably only the reseller who gets any of your money since H&P have long since exited the scene. |
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On AFA OS you do not notice any slowdown with MUI everything is super fast, see my video. |
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I will also expand on this to clarify: MUI looks terrible and I never liked any apps that require it. Yes, it does not slow the system down, but the apps that use it are super slow on low spec systems. I always prefer programs that use the in-built UI system, even if they don't look as nice, because they perform a lot better. And yeah, if something works well for my use. I don't have this mentality of "must have the latest thing just because it's the latest thing", and it works well for me. As my Workbench use is minimal (just point around and double click on a game or demo or app), there's no real need for me to upgrade to 3.9 Quote:
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My conversation is drifting off-topic anyway. I'm sorry about that. It seems to me there is no point in me updating workbench.library for the use I give to the system. Thanks everyone for your input on this! |
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Yeah, that's the thing really - we're all gluttons for punishment really it just depends how far down that scale we're happy going. Personally I use my Amigas for development and writing so it's 3.9, 4.1 or MorphOS for me, anything further back just isn't as enjoyable. I'm doing some hardware fiddling on a 2.1 A2000 at the moment, and it bugs the hell out of me
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Performance and memory help the experience but the OS still matters. I recently bought a new "PC" going from a Core2Duo with 32 bit XP to a i5 with 64 bit 7 (my brother and friends wanted me to play a game with them where XP was "obsolete"). The CPU is supposed to be twice as fast per core and there are twice as many cores but 7 is so much slower (I crashed the UI several times by clicking too fast before updates fixed the problems), the UI interface requires twice as many clicks to do anything and is not consistent and 64 bit was sometimes slower to load until I added a DIMM for dual channel giving twice the memory bandwidth. XP's UI is not great but clearly better than 7 and 7 is so inefficient. XP is a good OS for low end PCs kind of like AmigaOS 3.1 is a good OS for low end Amigas. Ok, that analogy kind of bothers me too so I'll stop. |
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So I am not a complete masochist but I admit I got caught by "upgrade-mania" when I had the chance to put a new KS on my A600 and re-do my hard drive, so I went for this update just because. I since reverted it, no need My system runs fast, is responsive and doesn't crash. That's all I required! Oh it also looks pretty damn nice. Quote:
I've had 7 Pro 64-bit for like 6 years now and it's super smooth and fast. Make sure you don't use that Aero garbage and the UI will become a lot more responsive. It would also help if your computer were more current too, though. Stuff like an i7 and an SSD help a lot. With all that said, my old Atom N280 still runs XP happily. 7 would definitely be a drag, but what do you expect when you try to install it on hardware that is 10 years old? Going OT again, sorry. :P But the gist of it is: the right OS version for the right platform. |
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My i5 is Ivy Bridge which gives the following scores under Control Panel ->Performance Information and Tools. Processor: 7.5 Memory: 7.7 Graphics: 6.5 Gaming Graphics: 6.5 Primary Hard Disk: 5.9 The i7 has multi-threading but this can actually hurt performance for games. My i5 outperforms my brothers early i7. I could use an SSD as disk performance is my bottleneck. I do know a bit about this stuff which helped me save some money as I paid less than $200 U.S. for the above performance which is adequate for playing all but the most demanding games. I expect an OS which does not get slower with each generation and an interface which is more responsive and streamlined for better productivity. Just because CPUs get faster is no excuse for the OS to get slower. With the end of Moore's law, this can not continue. |
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I'm not a M$ blowhard by any means. In fact I'm predominantly a linux guy. But XP should not touch the internet! |
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Why use an Amiga with 2.0 when you can use a PC or Mac with the latest OS and much more processing power and do everything better? Why use an Amiga with 1.3 when you can use a PC or Mac with the latest OS and much more processing power and do everything better? Yeah, let's stick to AmigaDOS 1.2, that's the real classic OS without all that bloat. The thing is, if you really use your Amiga, and I don't mean in the sense of using it for web browsing or hard disc recording, 3.9 improves on 3.1 in a lot of small ways. It was made by the people who really loved AmigaOS, with lots of bloatware to keep up with Windows 98. But throwing the bloatware out is easy, because at its core, it is still AmigaOS, which is a modular, customisable system. |
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Windows is one big vulnerable hacking target. XP has more vulnerabilities than later versions but there can still be several layers of protection including updated software, google e-mail filtering and a good anti-virus program. I was able to keep viruses out and didn't suffer from identity or credit card theft even though I was on the internet (not using Explorer or Outlook). Could dedicated professional hackers get into my XP computer or intercept data transmissions? Probably. The NSA already has backdoors provided for it and probably has all my info on their drives already. If my computer was used for business or I was a politician not aware of top secret data then I would want better security than what M$ can provide.
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Thread derailed to pointlessness.
Whether 3.9 is better than 3.1 or Windows 7 better than Windows XP doesn't have anything to do with my question, I already decided it is better for me not to change the library alone. |
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Sorry for coming back to topic.
How do you best upgrade workbench.library without touching the ROM? LoadModule will not work or only unreliably, are there alternatives? |
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The Workbench v44+ will also need the icon.library v44+ and maybe the workbench.catalog v44. 1.) You can use RemLib from Thomas Rapp to remove the old libraries from the resident list. Then the new libraries will be loaded from Libs: without a reboot. Code:
If EXISTS Libs:icon.library RemLib >NIL: icon.library If EXISTS Libs:workbench.library RemLib >NIL: workbench.library EndIf EndIf Code:
Version >NIL: icon.library 44 If WARN LoadResident >NIL: Libs:icon.library LoadResident >NIL: Libs:workbench.library REBOOT EndIf RemLib and LoadResident are both included in my icon.library package: http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/IconLib_46.4 Last edited by PeterK; 17 August 2017 at 09:35. |
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A lot of (most?) GUI elements of MUI is configurable. So if you don`t like you can make it look similar like intuition. The problem with MUI is that you need it if you want to use one of the many MUI programs. Its a quasi must-have even if you dislike/hate it. |
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