Fire & Forget WHD

NewDeli · 30 May 2010, 03:56

I experience a speed issue with Fire & Forget preinstalled. After the intro screen, the game plays at a too fast pace.

For those who don't know this game, when the level starts, car goes at full speed before one is able to adjust its speed. It is stupid, but by design (same when the car finishes a level). The reason I mention this is because I noticed from loading F&F through other ways (IPF, A500 config.), the game already plays at a rather fast pace. This said, with the beta, the speed is simply insane (other by design "feature" is that the fuel depletes even though the car is stopped

) and doesn't allow to control the car.

This problem doesn't occur with latest stable. I used Classic WB UAE for this test.
If someone is able to reproduce, he'll notice Game Over occuring before too long !

NewDeli · 20 June 2010, 07:21

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Originally Posted by NewDeli

I experience a speed issue with Fire & Forget preinstalled. After the intro screen, the game plays at a too fast pace.

Nobody wants to give this a try, plz ? Latest beta doesn't solve it. I could reproduce this speed issue on another computer (doesn't occur with ADFs, neither with Fire & Forget II preinstalled).

Toni Wilen · 20 June 2010, 16:23

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Originally Posted by NewDeli

Nobody wants to give this a try, plz ? Latest beta doesn't solve it. I could reproduce this speed issue on another computer (doesn't occur with ADFs, neither with Fire & Forget II preinstalled).

What was last working beta? (note that this is something that may not be a bug, it is normal that hd installable game behavior changes between versions when using "too fast" cpu settings)

NewDeli · 20 June 2010, 17:22

Neither does it work with the stable version

. Reason why I mentioned it here : I was using the beta as a preferred version when I noticed it. I know : Not a good reason. Feel free to split "Speed issue with Fire & Forget preinstalled" into a new thread.

As for the CPU, I use 020 & cycle exact. I guess it's not possible to use WHDload with the 010 or the 00.

dlfrsilver · 20 June 2010, 18:42

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Originally Posted by NewDeli

Neither does it work with the stable version

. Reason why I mentioned it here : I was using the beta as a preferred version when I noticed it. I know : Not a good reason. Feel free to split "Speed issue with Fire & Forget preinstalled" into a new thread.

As for the CPU, I use 020 & cycle exact. I guess it's not possible to use WHDload with the 010 or the 00.

Fire & Forget is a port from the atari st, and we can guess relying mainly on the processor. since the 020 is 14mhz instead of 7,19 something as the 68000 does, this can be the reason why the game runs faster.

TCD · 20 June 2010, 18:53

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Originally Posted by NewDeli

I guess it's not possible to use WHDload with the 010 or the 00.

http://www.whdload.de/docs/en/need.html

Toni Wilen · 20 June 2010, 18:54

Moved from beta thread.

TCD · 20 June 2010, 19:17

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Originally Posted by NewDeli

Neither does it work with the stable version

.

What is the 'correct' speed then and how do you compare it? Ask someone with a real Amiga and a reproduced environment to have a look then.

dlfrsilver · 20 June 2010, 19:54

i have checked the game on my A1200, the speed is same under winuae.

NewDeli · 20 June 2010, 20:03

Thanx dlfr. Well, "excessive speed" means after 10-15 seconds, you fail the race ("game over") because at such speed, it's barely possible to avoid the ammo, the fuel gauge depletes very, very rapidly etc.
Correct speed can be spotted by launching the corresponding ADF (or by trying the ST version). As I said, the game appears to me fast paced and "unfair" by design, but not THAT fast.

TCD · 20 June 2010, 20:39

So that's a WHDLoad issue then, no?

NewDeli · 20 June 2010, 20:53

It would appear so. I'll make a bug report if that's the case.
Should the topic be moved again

?

TCD · 20 June 2010, 20:56

That's why you should get a real Amiga to do some proper testing

NewDeli · 20 June 2010, 21:36

If / when I had / have the room for it, I'd probably get a CPC first. We CPC fanbwoys don't have a Toni Wilen to work on improving the available emulators, and there are numerous issues (input delays & mappings, full screen limitations..).
Not even mentioning it would cost me a lot to assemble an A1200 or 4000 with SCSI HDD and all the nice bits.
but I digress...

dlfrsilver · 20 June 2010, 21:43

Well, as said earlier, it's due to the 68020 clocked higher, and not a whdload bug.

The only solution would be if possible to slow down the game under whdload.

Or at least train the game so that the fuel stops decreasing.

andreas · 22 June 2010, 15:42

Yes. Maybe you could use some of the known degraders (TUDE etc.) together with WHDload as a preliminary workaround (if compatible; of course it cannot be guaranteed)

TCD · 22 June 2010, 15:49

...or just emulate a 68000 or choose a custom CPU frequency. Choices, choices...

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20 June 2010, 17:22	#4
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	Neither does it work with the stable version . Reason why I mentioned it here : I was using the beta as a preferred version when I noticed it. I know : Not a good reason. Feel free to split "Speed issue with Fire & Forget preinstalled" into a new thread. As for the CPU, I use 020 & cycle exact. I guess it's not possible to use WHDload with the 010 or the 00.

20 June 2010, 18:54	#7
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,539	Moved from beta thread.

20 June 2010, 19:54	#9
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,495	i have checked the game on my A1200, the speed is same under winuae.

20 June 2010, 20:03	#10
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	Thanx dlfr. Well, "excessive speed" means after 10-15 seconds, you fail the race ("game over") because at such speed, it's barely possible to avoid the ammo, the fuel gauge depletes very, very rapidly etc. Correct speed can be spotted by launching the corresponding ADF (or by trying the ST version). As I said, the game appears to me fast paced and "unfair" by design, but not THAT fast.

20 June 2010, 20:39	#11
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,813	So that's a WHDLoad issue then, no?

20 June 2010, 20:53	#12
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	It would appear so. I'll make a bug report if that's the case. Should the topic be moved again ?

20 June 2010, 20:56	#13
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,813	That's why you should get a real Amiga to do some proper testing

20 June 2010, 21:36	#14
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	If / when I had / have the room for it, I'd probably get a CPC first. We CPC fanbwoys don't have a Toni Wilen to work on improving the available emulators, and there are numerous issues (input delays & mappings, full screen limitations..). Not even mentioning it would cost me a lot to assemble an A1200 or 4000 with SCSI HDD and all the nice bits. but I digress...

20 June 2010, 21:43	#15
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,495	Well, as said earlier, it's due to the 68020 clocked higher, and not a whdload bug. The only solution would be if possible to slow down the game under whdload. Or at least train the game so that the fuel stops decreasing.

22 June 2010, 15:42	#16
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	Yes. Maybe you could use some of the known degraders (TUDE etc.) together with WHDload as a preliminary workaround (if compatible; of course it cannot be guaranteed)

22 June 2010, 15:49	#17
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,813	...or just emulate a 68000 or choose a custom CPU frequency. Choices, choices...

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