AMiGA 1200 Setup for Games

Eny- · 22 June 2004, 13:22

I have a A1200 with the Blizzard 1230/IV fitted with a Co-Proc and an 8Mb SIMM (trying to get a 128mb one!), and i have OS 3.5 installed.

And I want to use this setup to firstly network with my PC and to play all those WHDLoad games, but i can't managed to run any game or to network my miggy.

So my question is:
What do i need to install so i have the miggy ready to use for network/games?
What is essencial to install in addition to the OS, to make this work?

< I managed to install and config AmiTCP, but i can't manage to get it to work with Samba, as for Miami, it does not identify my NIC (NEC2000)>

ant512 · 22 June 2004, 15:53

WB3.5 comes with a TCP stack already installed - Genesis, which is a front-end for AmiTCP. Quite what will happen now you have two other TCP stacks installed is anyone's guess.

For any TCP stack to recognise your network card, you need to get the "cnet.device" from the Aminet (ftp://de.aminet.net/pub/aminet/hard/...cnetdevice.lha). Once you've installed that, and if your card is compatible with the 1200, you should be able to get the network running.

22 June 2004, 16:04

You'll never need 128mb ram for gaming. Just get a 32mb one, even 16 will do really

Eny- · 22 June 2004, 16:19

So if i got Genesis already installed, where can i configure it? I already have the "cnet.device", and my network card is compatible with my A1200. With AmiTCP installed i managed to ping my PC from the miggy and so fourth. But with Genesis... where can i find it??

Burseg: Yes, i know, but now that i have the possibility being SIMM's so easy to find and for free, i would like to push the limits with the card.

jrom · 22 June 2004, 16:32

Genesis comes with OS3.9... 3.5 only shipped with a trial version of MiamiDX (if I'm not mistaken).

Eny- · 22 June 2004, 16:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrom

Genesis comes with OS3.9... 3.5 only shipped with a trial version of MiamiDX (if I'm not mistaken).

Can I use the OS 3.9 with my current setup?

And what about using that nice looking icons? I need a Graphic Card for that?

Eny- · 22 June 2004, 16:55

About running WHDload... what do i need?

I installed WHDLoad, the game starts, then... black screen almost all the time (if not black, blue or other friendly colour

) then i need to press F10 to quit.

Mr Creosote · 22 June 2004, 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrom

Genesis comes with OS3.9... 3.5 only shipped with a trial version of MiamiDX (if I'm not mistaken).

You aren't mistaken.

22 June 2004, 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eny

Burseg: Yes, i know, but now that i have the possibility being SIMM's so easy to find and for free, i would like to push the limits with the card.

Great. If you can find them easily, maybe you can sell one

22 June 2004, 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eny-

Can I use the OS 3.9 with my current setup?

And what about using that nice looking icons? I need a Graphic Card for that?

Os 3.9 will work fine but I don't recommend too many colors on an AGA display. It'll slow you down a lot. I have the same card and I'm running in 16 colors. Newicons works OK with the middle end newicons.library.

Amiga1992 · 22 June 2004, 18:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burseg

Great. If you can find them easily, maybe you can sell one

Yes, 128MB SIMMs are not easy to come buy, even less cheap.

I wouldn't recommend OS 3.9 as the system for an Amiga 1200 setup for games!!! This is what I would recommend:

A1200, 030@50 (FPU if available, better), 32MB Fast RAM, 4GB HD. If you want network, one of those PCMCIA 16bit cards that work with the cnet.device driver.

OS 3.0/3.1, With something like Miami to conenct to the PC. And the SMB mount thingy. And the FAT95 thingy too, just in case. Miami can be serialized for free now can't it? Being that the author is MIA and abandonded it to its own luck....

That's all... If you have 3.5 and don't want to move from that don't pump up the colors too much as Burseg says, useless on anything below a CGX. i use 32 and it's overkill maybe, but I like it and it's not sluggish. I would recommend a switch back to 3.0 or 3.1 anyway.

22 June 2004, 19:01

I'm using a 1084s monitor. It flickers with interlace modes by hardware but a program named MagicTV decreases flickering to a bearable rate but it works only up to 16 color screenmodes. I'm also running a patch that lets me use 65-71hz euro36 screenmodes with 1084s. So I have a 16 color 65hz interlaced 1084s screen that doesn't flicker.

Eny- · 22 June 2004, 19:11

Thx Akira for your advise.

I only consider the move to the OS 3.9 for a more ' windows ' friendly environment.
Why don't you recommend the OS 3.9?
I don't care for a ' slower ' OS since i don't tend to use it that much, i only need to use it for networking the amiga to the PC to tranfer files from my PC to my A1200 and to load the WHDload games.

Unknown_K · 22 June 2004, 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

Yes, 128MB SIMMs are not easy to come buy, even less cheap.

I wouldn't recommend OS 3.9 as the system for an Amiga 1200 setup for games!!! This is what I would recommend:

A1200, 030@50 (FPU if available, better), 32MB Fast RAM, 4GB HD. If you want network, one of those PCMCIA 16bit cards that work with the snet.device driver.

OS 3.0/3.1, With something like Miami to conenct to the PC. And the SMB mount thingy. And the FAT95 thingy too, just in case. Miami can be serialized for free now can't it? Being that the author is MIA and abandonded it to its own luck....

That's all... If you have 3.5 and don't want to move from that don't pump up the colors too much as Burseg says, useless on anything below a CGX. i use 32 and it's overkill maybe, but I like it and it's not sluggish. I would recommend a switch back to 3.0 or 3.1 anyway.

I agree with Akira on the A1200 specs, since thats about exactly what I run (16mb instead of 32).

Amiga1992 · 22 June 2004, 23:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eny-

I don't care for a ' slower ' OS since i don't tend to use it that much, i only need to use it for networking the amiga to the PC to tranfer files from my PC to my A1200 and to load the WHDload games.

And for what you want to do, even OS2.0 was enough. I know I did it with my A600

You will like the speed whenever you have to decompress files or move stuff or just navigate the Workbench for WHDLoad games. Speed always comes in handy, specially in a user interface!

Personally I use Workbench 3.0 with some addons and patches which I can list later (tho I think they are somewhere in the Desktop Piccies thread), and Productivity mode in my PC's 17" monitor, at 32 colors. Whenever I load a game I have the TV nearby so I hook the meega to it to play the games. I wouldn't stand a flickering interlace screen anymore. And I don't have a 1084 handy anyway

But soon I hope to buy a scandoubler

I also think 16 meg of fast is OK, is there any game that would eat up all my 32 megs? It never hurts to have more RAm, but with 16 you are cool for WHDLoad. I wish I could find a cheap 128MB SIMM, if you really can get access to some, use it. And then maybe sell the rest to some fellow amiga users

Eny- · 23 June 2004, 01:33

"Personally I use Workbench 3.0 with some addons and patches which I can list later"

List it

please...

23 June 2004, 01:54

MUI and Newicons for starters, even if you don't like them, sometimes you require them. Some icons won't display without newicons and some programs won't work without MUI. I don't like running too many add ons actually, third one I have installed is the CopperDemon, it provides a copper gradient background with 0 performance loss. I'm not using magic menu but many people like it. It's for windows-like right click menu behaviour, compatible with all workbench programs.

killergorilla · 23 June 2004, 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eny-

Why don't you recommend the OS 3.9?

It has some compatibility issues with some whdload installs, some just refuse to work or throw out weird behaviour, my games partition used to use 3.1 and I never had any problems with whdload games at all. It's also not worth the eye candy as it can eat up your chip ram which some games need to start.

Magix · 23 June 2004, 11:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eny-

List it

please...

You can try Classic WorkBench by Bloodwych. It's great I think.

Eny- · 23 June 2004, 11:57

Ok... so OS 3.1 + addons [ MUI : NewIcons ] with only this i can play all the WHDload games without a problem? As for a working network what will i need? i can proper install AmiTCP but i can't install Samba, and i can only use Samba, since i want to map the miggy drives on my PC.

22 June 2004, 13:22	#1
Eny- R3tr0 G4m3r Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lisbon - Portugal Age: 44 Posts: 327	AMiGA 1200 Setup for Games I have a A1200 with the Blizzard 1230/IV fitted with a Co-Proc and an 8Mb SIMM (trying to get a 128mb one!), and i have OS 3.5 installed. And I want to use this setup to firstly network with my PC and to play all those WHDLoad games, but i can't managed to run any game or to network my miggy. So my question is: What do i need to install so i have the miggy ready to use for network/games? What is essencial to install in addition to the OS, to make this work? < I managed to install and config AmiTCP, but i can't manage to get it to work with Samba, as for Miami, it does not identify my NIC (NEC2000)> Last edited by Eny-; 24 June 2004 at 02:10.

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22 June 2004, 15:53	#2
ant512 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 965	WB3.5 comes with a TCP stack already installed - Genesis, which is a front-end for AmiTCP. Quite what will happen now you have two other TCP stacks installed is anyone's guess. For any TCP stack to recognise your network card, you need to get the "cnet.device" from the Aminet (ftp://de.aminet.net/pub/aminet/hard/...cnetdevice.lha). Once you've installed that, and if your card is compatible with the 1200, you should be able to get the network running.

22 June 2004, 16:04	#3
oldpx Posts: n/a	You'll never need 128mb ram for gaming. Just get a 32mb one, even 16 will do really

22 June 2004, 16:19	#4
Eny- R3tr0 G4m3r Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lisbon - Portugal Age: 44 Posts: 327	So if i got Genesis already installed, where can i configure it? I already have the "cnet.device", and my network card is compatible with my A1200. With AmiTCP installed i managed to ping my PC from the miggy and so fourth. But with Genesis... where can i find it?? Burseg: Yes, i know, but now that i have the possibility being SIMM's so easy to find and for free, i would like to push the limits with the card.

22 June 2004, 16:32	#5
jrom Wannabe asm coder ;) Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Age: 47 Posts: 459	Genesis comes with OS3.9... 3.5 only shipped with a trial version of MiamiDX (if I'm not mistaken).

22 June 2004, 16:55	#7
Eny- R3tr0 G4m3r Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lisbon - Portugal Age: 44 Posts: 327	About running WHDload... what do i need? I installed WHDLoad, the game starts, then... black screen almost all the time (if not black, blue or other friendly colour ) then i need to press F10 to quit.

22 June 2004, 19:01	#12
oldpx Posts: n/a	I'm using a 1084s monitor. It flickers with interlace modes by hardware but a program named MagicTV decreases flickering to a bearable rate but it works only up to 16 color screenmodes. I'm also running a patch that lets me use 65-71hz euro36 screenmodes with 1084s. So I have a 16 color 65hz interlaced 1084s screen that doesn't flicker.

22 June 2004, 19:11	#13
Eny- R3tr0 G4m3r Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lisbon - Portugal Age: 44 Posts: 327	Thx Akira for your advise. I only consider the move to the OS 3.9 for a more ' windows ' friendly environment. Why don't you recommend the OS 3.9? I don't care for a ' slower ' OS since i don't tend to use it that much, i only need to use it for networking the amiga to the PC to tranfer files from my PC to my A1200 and to load the WHDload games.

23 June 2004, 01:33	#16
Eny- R3tr0 G4m3r Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lisbon - Portugal Age: 44 Posts: 327	"Personally I use Workbench 3.0 with some addons and patches which I can list later" List it please...

23 June 2004, 01:54	#17
oldpx Posts: n/a	MUI and Newicons for starters, even if you don't like them, sometimes you require them. Some icons won't display without newicons and some programs won't work without MUI. I don't like running too many add ons actually, third one I have installed is the CopperDemon, it provides a copper gradient background with 0 performance loss. I'm not using magic menu but many people like it. It's for windows-like right click menu behaviour, compatible with all workbench programs.

23 June 2004, 11:57	#20
Eny- R3tr0 G4m3r Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lisbon - Portugal Age: 44 Posts: 327	Ok... so OS 3.1 + addons [ MUI : NewIcons ] with only this i can play all the WHDload games without a problem? As for a working network what will i need? i can proper install AmiTCP but i can't install Samba, and i can only use Samba, since i want to map the miggy drives on my PC.

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