Cannot create CD32 image

wanderer · 17 February 2009, 18:03

Hello again guys,

here it goes: I simply cannot create on Windows, a working (on WinUAE, haven't got the real thing anymore

) CD32 backup image file. Direct-from-cd images (C.CD-Nero) work just fine on WinUAE, but I want to extract the audio files with EAC, to preserve highest possible quality.
Assuming the .iso format isn't suitable for mixed-mode, I try to create a compliant .ccd or .nrg mixed-mode ISO9660 CD image with UltraIso/Nero, putting together the data track and the EAC audio files, however the resulting image won't boot at all.
Is this a file-system restrictions setting I'm getting wrong? Tried lots of combinations...

cane · 17 February 2009, 18:39

I don't understand what you want to make, but you can't make bootable CD32 disc using Windows. Read this thread - http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=38435

wanderer · 17 February 2009, 18:47

I'm trying to make an image of an existing CD32 game (not custom compilation etc.), but with its audio files extracted with EAC, and not the cd-copy applications such as Nero. This means I will have to re-create the image from scratch (combining the data and audio tracks), instead of just copying everything.
Thanks, I'll read that but I'm not sure if "CD32.TM" etc. is necessary for this... Is it??

Heavy Stylus · 17 February 2009, 18:57

This sounds really overly complicated... What are you actually trying to do here? Backup a physical CD32 disc to an iso file? Nero should be able to do this for you without you having to split the audio and data. Or are you trying to add a trainer/intro/data to a disc that already has CD audio? If so, I'm afraid that's way beyond my ability!

Retro-Nerd · 17 February 2009, 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by wanderer

Thanks, I'll read that but I'm not sure if "CD32.TM" etc. is necessary for this... Is it??

This file is there, when you've done the Data track ISO with your dumping tools. There is a TOSEC CD ISO dumping guide somewhere.

http://wiki.toseciso.org/guide

Heavy Stylus · 17 February 2009, 19:00

Oh, and if creating any CD32 disc that you hope to boot, you will HAVE to use the official C= dev tools mentioned in the link above to insert CD32.TM or CDTV.TM into the boot block/header of the CD/ISO.

cane · 17 February 2009, 19:04

Now I understand and as Retro-Nerd already said you have TM file in data track. I used Fireburner to burn data+mp3 discs, it's said in this thread - http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=12022

wanderer · 17 February 2009, 19:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heavy Stylus

This sounds really overly complicated... What are you actually trying to do here? Backup a physical CD32 disc to an iso file?

Exactly! Nero does that (.nrg file though, not .iso), but the way Nero rips the audio files isn't quite perfect, so I want to rip the audio files separately, with Exact Audio Copy (EAC, probably the best in audio-ripping).
Since EAC cannot handle the data track, I'm forced the re-create the image file. Again, probably not in .iso format since I'm not sure it can handle CD32 titles properly.

Not trying to add anything at all, just replace the audio files with the same ones, ripped with another application.

TCD · 17 February 2009, 19:12

Which format are the Audio files after you ripped them with EAC?

Retro-Nerd · 17 February 2009, 19:14

Wav, what else. Use this guide and all should be ok.

http://wiki.toseciso.org/guide

btw: this is only for perfect rips. All Bin/Cue, CCD etc dumps are working too, without any issues.

wanderer · 17 February 2009, 19:19

Yes, .wav.

Retro-Nerd, it's an interesting guide, but from a quick read, I don't see an image creation section.
I can easily combine the data and audio tracks with ImgBurn for example, to burn a CD, that's not a problem.
The problem is, the image file creation. I'll check Fireburner out, though.

Retro-Nerd · 17 February 2009, 19:22

Read it carefully. All is written there.

wanderer · 17 February 2009, 19:24

Thanks a lot, looks like this is finally coming to an end. Will try in a couple of hours and report back, have to eat pizza now. Thank you all!

TCD · 17 February 2009, 19:27

Guess the cuesheet generation with EAC is the most interesting part of it. Good luck later wanderer

wanderer · 17 February 2009, 22:00

Thanks CyberDruid, I'm close, but not there yet...
I have the cdrwin .bin file (of no use, I guess), I have the Fireburner .iso file (which works, but is audio-less of course), and both .cue files from cdrwin and EAC. And... that's it. I don't know how to create an image file containing both data/audio tracks.
Am I supposed to edit the EAC .cue file? Tried to include the Fireburner .iso file in there, but the .cue file won't mount at all.
The guide goes on with: "ClrMamePro (to create a .dat file of extracted tracks", but I'm really stuck here...

TCD · 17 February 2009, 22:05

You don't need the ClrMamePro part (it's only for TOSEC) and yes, you need to edit the EAC cue file, so that it includes the iso. Maybe you can attach the two cue files and your merged one, so we can have a look

Retro-Nerd · 17 February 2009, 22:06

I haven't read all of the TOSEC guide. But you can always put the standard ISO data track + the EAC Wav tracks into a folder and use the Sega Cue Maker to create a new .cue file. This ISO+WAV is mountable then.

http://www.racketboy.com/downloads/sega-cue-maker.htm

wanderer · 17 February 2009, 22:29

I cannot mount any of these files, always get an error with MagicISO.
A couple of these cues (can't remember which), contained this line: "TRACK 01 MODEx/20xx"

Changing it to "TRACK 01 MODE1/2048" didn't help.

Retro-Nerd · 17 February 2009, 22:37

Have you made it like this?

Quote:

Just rip the complete CD to a bin/cue file with CDRWin in non-raw mode (deselect the checkbox 'raw').

wanderer · 17 February 2009, 22:40

Hmm, I didn't make any extra conversion, it is the .iso file Fireburner extracted from the cdrwin .bin image.

edit: Yes, I unchecked the raw option in cdrwin.

17 February 2009, 18:03	#1
wanderer I want an A1000 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Athens Posts: 743	Cannot create CD32 image Hello again guys, here it goes: I simply cannot create on Windows, a working (on WinUAE, haven't got the real thing anymore ) CD32 backup image file. Direct-from-cd images (C.CD-Nero) work just fine on WinUAE, but I want to extract the audio files with EAC, to preserve highest possible quality. Assuming the .iso format isn't suitable for mixed-mode, I try to create a compliant .ccd or .nrg mixed-mode ISO9660 CD image with UltraIso/Nero, putting together the data track and the EAC audio files, however the resulting image won't boot at all. Is this a file-system restrictions setting I'm getting wrong? Tried lots of combinations...

17 February 2009, 18:47	#3
wanderer I want an A1000 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Athens Posts: 743	I'm trying to make an image of an existing CD32 game (not custom compilation etc.), but with its audio files extracted with EAC, and not the cd-copy applications such as Nero. This means I will have to re-create the image from scratch (combining the data and audio tracks), instead of just copying everything. Thanks, I'll read that but I'm not sure if "CD32.TM" etc. is necessary for this... Is it?? Last edited by wanderer; 17 February 2009 at 18:57.

17 February 2009, 19:14	#10
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,453	Wav, what else. Use this guide and all should be ok. http://wiki.toseciso.org/guide btw: this is only for perfect rips. All Bin/Cue, CCD etc dumps are working too, without any issues. Last edited by Retro-Nerd; 17 February 2009 at 19:20.

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17 February 2009, 18:39	#2
cane Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: .hr Age: 45 Posts: 540	I don't understand what you want to make, but you can't make bootable CD32 disc using Windows. Read this thread - http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=38435

17 February 2009, 18:57	#4
Heavy Stylus CD32 Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Exeter, UK Age: 45 Posts: 528	This sounds really overly complicated... What are you actually trying to do here? Backup a physical CD32 disc to an iso file? Nero should be able to do this for you without you having to split the audio and data. Or are you trying to add a trainer/intro/data to a disc that already has CD audio? If so, I'm afraid that's way beyond my ability!

17 February 2009, 19:00	#6
Heavy Stylus CD32 Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Exeter, UK Age: 45 Posts: 528	Oh, and if creating any CD32 disc that you hope to boot, you will HAVE to use the official C= dev tools mentioned in the link above to insert CD32.TM or CDTV.TM into the boot block/header of the CD/ISO.

17 February 2009, 19:04	#7
cane Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: .hr Age: 45 Posts: 540	Now I understand and as Retro-Nerd already said you have TM file in data track. I used Fireburner to burn data+mp3 discs, it's said in this thread - http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=12022

17 February 2009, 19:12	#9
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,907	Which format are the Audio files after you ripped them with EAC?

17 February 2009, 19:19	#11
wanderer I want an A1000 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Athens Posts: 743	Yes, .wav. Retro-Nerd, it's an interesting guide, but from a quick read, I don't see an image creation section. I can easily combine the data and audio tracks with ImgBurn for example, to burn a CD, that's not a problem. The problem is, the image file creation. I'll check Fireburner out, though.

17 February 2009, 19:22	#12
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,453	Read it carefully. All is written there.

17 February 2009, 19:24	#13
wanderer I want an A1000 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Athens Posts: 743	Thanks a lot, looks like this is finally coming to an end. Will try in a couple of hours and report back, have to eat pizza now. Thank you all!

17 February 2009, 19:27	#14
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,907	Guess the cuesheet generation with EAC is the most interesting part of it. Good luck later wanderer

17 February 2009, 22:00	#15
wanderer I want an A1000 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Athens Posts: 743	Thanks CyberDruid, I'm close, but not there yet... I have the cdrwin .bin file (of no use, I guess), I have the Fireburner .iso file (which works, but is audio-less of course), and both .cue files from cdrwin and EAC. And... that's it. I don't know how to create an image file containing both data/audio tracks. Am I supposed to edit the EAC .cue file? Tried to include the Fireburner .iso file in there, but the .cue file won't mount at all. The guide goes on with: "ClrMamePro (to create a .dat file of extracted tracks", but I'm really stuck here...

17 February 2009, 22:05	#16
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,907	You don't need the ClrMamePro part (it's only for TOSEC) and yes, you need to edit the EAC cue file, so that it includes the iso. Maybe you can attach the two cue files and your merged one, so we can have a look

17 February 2009, 22:06	#17
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,453	I haven't read all of the TOSEC guide. But you can always put the standard ISO data track + the EAC Wav tracks into a folder and use the Sega Cue Maker to create a new .cue file. This ISO+WAV is mountable then. http://www.racketboy.com/downloads/sega-cue-maker.htm

17 February 2009, 22:40	#20
wanderer I want an A1000 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Athens Posts: 743	Hmm, I didn't make any extra conversion, it is the .iso file Fireburner extracted from the cdrwin .bin image. edit: Yes, I unchecked the raw option in cdrwin.

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