Is the A600GS similar to the V4Standalone?

amifan · 28 May 2024, 08:36

I was reading the press release for the launch of an updated version of PPaint and they mentioned it is using code compiled for the ARM chip. Does this mean that the A600GS is essentially a new Amiga that has a Workbench compatible OS than runs natively on the ARM chip? If so this would be similar to the V4Standalone as being a new variant of a compatible Amiga instead of an emulation box.

OlafSch · 28 May 2024, 09:38

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Originally Posted by amifan

I was reading the press release for the launch of an updated version of PPaint and they mentioned it is using code compiled for the ARM chip. Does this mean that the A600GS is essentially a new Amiga that has a Workbench compatible OS than runs natively on the ARM chip? If so this would be similar to the V4Standalone as being a new variant of a compatible Amiga instead of an emulation box.

No. It is not a ARM system but emulated running on ARM. It is as I understand it competing with Amiga Mini. The OS is 68k, not ARM native.

pixie · 28 May 2024, 09:47

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Originally Posted by OlafSch

No. It is not a ARM system but emulated running on ARM. It is as I understand it compting with Amiga Mini. The OS is 68k, not ARM native.

Although in all fairness, since it is AROS based, it could be made to run natively if wanted

drHirudo · 28 May 2024, 10:30

Isn't the V4SA FPGA based? ARM is still there for some operations though...

Gorf · 28 May 2024, 11:05

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Originally Posted by drHirudo

Isn't the V4SA FPGA based? ARM is still there for some operations though...

AFAIK there is no ARM cpu in the V4SA or any other Vampire/Apollo board

alexh · 28 May 2024, 11:11

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Originally Posted by OlafSch

No. It is not a ARM system but emulated running on ARM. It is as I understand it competing with Amiga Mini. The OS is 68k, not ARM native.

It was my understanding that OS libraries can be compiled for ARM and run natively rather than emulated. Such as the ARMgraphics.library

OlafSch · 28 May 2024, 11:26

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Originally Posted by alexh

It was my understanding that OS libraries can be compiled for ARM and run natively rather than emulated. Such as the ARMgraphics.library

Perhaps Amigakit will explain it further...

my understand is, the system is 68k and there are special libraries who are adapted to the hardware. The OS itself is not running native on ARM

alexh · 28 May 2024, 12:37

https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=117117

amigakit.com · 28 May 2024, 21:11

The A600GS features System Release V46 with AmiBench as it's desktop environment. It is OS3.x compatible but designed to be more advanced. Our developers have spent the last 6 years developing the OS.

The majority of the components are 68K compiled at time of release. Creating a fully ARM native OS is many years of work. However there are some libraries which already run ARM native code. The first of these is the ARM Graphics Library.

The new PPaint 7.4 uses a lot of ARM native code for Blitter operations. This speeds up graphics operations at higher resolutions. It is usable and functional at 1080p screenmodes.

We have lots of exciting ideas for development. We will push these updates through using our live update over the coming months after public release.

Bren McGuire · Today, 15:42

please stop making every post of yours a sales pitch mate it wore thin long ago

Gorf · Today, 15:53

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Originally Posted by amigakit.com

The A600GS features System Release V46 with AmiBench as it's desktop environment. It is OS3.x compatible but designed to be more advanced. Our developers have spent the last 6 years developing the OS.

Would be nice if your guys would at least mention that you are using AROS as a base for your system. Why being so secretive about that?

alexh · Today, 16:03

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Originally Posted by Bren McGuire

please stop making every post of yours a sales pitch mate it wore thin long ago

Politely consider leaving / not posting if you don't like it?

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Originally Posted by Gorf

Would be nice if your guys would at least mention that you are using AROS as a base for your system. Why being so secretive about that?

I think they have been relatively open about it :

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Originally Posted by Amigakit

At this point we are just using AROS components to "fill in the blanks" in a similar way that MorphOS has.

The last four or five years we have internally developed our DOS command set so we do not require the AROS commands. We also have developed a full datatypes library, AK-Datatypes and various gadgets, classes, Prefs and utilities. Once again the similar AROS components are not required. On top of this Amibench is being developed as a closed desktop environment.

Any changes to the AROS source code, or any components using AROS source code will be published according to the AROS APL licence arrangements.

We hope A600GS users will enjoy using the SystemV46 distribution. Updater will be available with it to allow users to keep their system up to date.

Gorf · Today, 16:11

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Originally Posted by alexh

Politely consider leaving if you don't like it?

I think they have been relatively open about it :

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At this point we are just using AROS components to "fill in the blanks" in a similar way that MorphOS has.

While the "blanks" being the whole Kickstart

Their own wiki page about Amibench does not even mention AROS at all.
I don't call this being open about it, but actively trying to hide something.

alexh · Today, 16:16

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Originally Posted by Gorf

While the "blanks" being the whole Kickstart

Is that true? They say they have replaced AmigaDOS command set. I suspect it isn't true. But AmigaKit why not reply?

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Originally Posted by Gorf

Their own wiki page about Amibench does not even mention AROS at all.

If it was my project, I would change that. If you embrace an opensource project, even if you fork it, then you should remember your roots until you have replaced all of that work (and even then consider a thank you for inspiration).

Gorf · Today, 17:01

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Originally Posted by alexh

Is that true? They say they have replaced AmigaDOS command set. I suspect it isn't true. But AmigaKit why not reply.

DOS command set != Kickstart

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If it was my project, I would change that. If you embrace an opensource project, even if you fork it, then you should remember your roots until you have replaced all of that work (and even then consider a thank you for inspiration).

alexh · Today, 17:08

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Originally Posted by Gorf

DOS command set != Kickstart

Ok, if you are technically competent to make that statement I'm happy to believe you. You don't think there are any AmigaDOS commands that make up part of Kickstart?

Gorf · Today, 17:23

Since 2.0 some more commands are already included in the Kickstart, but usually they do reside in C:
I am not sure how the AROS Kickstart replacement handles this exactly here ... but in any case: These commands are just a very small portion of the Kickstart, which consists primarily of Exec and Libraries.

kriz · Today, 17:50

The technical details are so lacking, more videos of it showing stuff would be helpful as well... No Aros mentioned on their site, it says this:

"AmiBench is a proprietry desktop environment developed by AmigaKit Ltd for the A600GS, Commodore-Amiga computers and Next Generation Amiga-like computers.

It is built upon AmigaKit's System Release V46 distribution. "

desktop environment = Operating system ?

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kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 42 Posts: 3,218	The technical details are so lacking, more videos of it showing stuff would be helpful as well... No Aros mentioned on their site, it says this: "AmiBench is a proprietry desktop environment developed by AmigaKit Ltd for the A600GS, Commodore-Amiga computers and Next Generation Amiga-like computers. It is built upon AmigaKit's System Release V46 distribution. " desktop environment = Operating system ?

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