24 October 2015, 00:45 | #1 |
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Stuck at setting up Harddrive
Greetings everyone,
perhaps my request is a special one, I dont really know. I want to use WinUAE to emulate an Amiga500 with a harddisk to boot from. I wanted to use Kickstart 1.2 in the first place, but I have already learned that this is (sort of) impossible. So I switched to Kickstart 1.3 I tried to follow this guide -> http://guide.abime.net/home1.3.htm But I had absolutely no success so far. This is what I have done so far:
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24 October 2015, 09:37 | #2 |
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Sounds like partition was formatted as OFS. OFS has very small max size limit (less than 50M or so). How did you format it?
Also always use quick format when formatting hard drives, full format only wastes time. ("system/format drive dh0: name whatever ffs quick") EDIT: Guide is quite old.. It is better to do formatting under 2.0+ because format dialog has FFS option (or use command line), under 1.3 it is too easy create OFS partition. |
24 October 2015, 14:20 | #3 |
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Thank you for your quick reply.
I did format the harddisk with the menu option format or initialize in 2.0 or 1.3 I deleted my hardfiles throgh the windows explorer and created an new one with 500MB size. Then I bootet the UAE into a kick 1.3 and WB 1.3 and tried to format the harddrive with the cli command you mentiond. But I get the error that there is not dos disk in dh0: Do I have to do something special when I create the hardfile? Is there a documentation on that? Kind regards Lorgarn |
24 October 2015, 14:49 | #4 |
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Do you absolutely need a harddrive file? In case you're new to WinUAE and Amiga emulation, there's the option to use a plain directory as a harddrive. Transfer speeds are faster, no need to format or fiddle with complicated settings, and you can easily access your Amiga files directly from Windows if you need to.
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24 October 2015, 15:34 | #5 |
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And if you want to use hardfile because you want to match some real A500 + HD configuration (controller you originally had back in the day or just because you can!): many HD controllers are emulated in hardware level (A590, GVPs etc..), enable it and install it exactly like you would do when using real hardware.
Your problem probably is related to 1.3 partition hardfile fastfilesystem hack. It is usually better idea to create RDB hardfile (RDB button in harddrive properties) and then use HDToolbox just like on real hardware. (But remember that UAE HD device is uaehf.device, not scsi.device, start hdtoolbox with correct command line: "tools/hdtoolbox uaehf.device") But first check that hardfile FileSys path points to WB 1.3 L:FastFileSystem file. (Path to your physical PC drive, not Amiga) And finally: check WinUAE 3.2 beta changelogs, 1.2 (and even older) HD boot is now possible |
24 October 2015, 16:36 | #6 |
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Ok, thanks again for answering but I thinnk I need to clearify what I am up to.
I never had a harddrive on my Amiga back in the days. That is why I would like to emulate an Amiga with a harddive, using it as I would have done so, on the original machine (or close to this). The sources on how to do it, differ completely, some state that this can not be done with WB / Kickstart 1.2, some even state it can not be done with 1.3 The guide I originally mentioned even gave an alternative setup method, where they copied some fastfilesystem file but they never told what to do with those afterward. Some people tell me about the HDToolbox. What is this program? Did it come with a Amiga harddirve back in the days? Where to get it now? How to use it? Why cant I even format a created harddirve with WB 1.3 (as it happend when I tired to use the commandline command mentiond earlyer in this thread)? Again: Is there a comprehensive guide on this? A step by step howto? A documentation about how to create working, bootable hardfiles in winuae or actual original information on how to setup a harddirve on the amiga and boot from it? Its hard to beleve the only guide available is for version 0.x or 1.x or WinUAE. Kind regards Lorgarn |
24 October 2015, 16:46 | #7 |
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If you only want Amiga harddrive because floppies are slow and annoying and you don't need specific harddrive type, then using PC directory as a harddrive is the easiest and most flexible solution under emulation.
Click "Add directory or archive" button and select some empty PC directory, make sure device name is DH0 and volume name is something else than DH0. Insert 1.3 WB disk in DF0:, boot, open CLI, copy all files from DF0: to WB directory ("copy df0: dh0: all clone quiet"). remove disk, boot. WB 1.3 HD installation done |
25 October 2015, 15:10 | #8 |
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Toni, I shunned using a directory as a Amiga harddrive because i read that several problems, which try things like checking the free space on the drive fail on a directory.
I do not know much about all this, that is why i ask questions and I would very much appreciate, if someone could answer them, so I can understand all this. So I state it again:
Kind regards Lorgarn |
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I usually don't answer questions that are not emulation specific, sorry but here are some quick and short answers: 1) It is like network filesystem, there is no real block device. Programs that directly access the drive won't work (partitioning, formatting, sector editors etc.. "Normal" programs rarely have problems). Size check is not really emulation specific either, any >2G drive can show negative size depending on how program calculates it. 2) Same as any other real or virtual drive. Amiga HD partitioning has never been simple.. 3) No much difference. CLI is easier and quicker if you know exactly what you want 4) KS 1.x can't boot without external loaded filesystem handler. KS 2.0+ has everything needed in ROM. Normally it is located in drive's partition table blocks (installed with hdtoolbox) or in case of UAE partition hardfiles (hardfile is a single partition, not whole drive that can be partitioned using hdtoolbox), FileSys path can be used to fake the RDB filesystem. 5) hdtoolbox is standard utility for partitioning Amiga harddrives. It comes with WB install disk. |
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