I disagree in that they cannot change it.
You make it seem like the whole community and especially the devs are being held hostage, which I think is a fair representation, and if that's the case, it needs to stop.
We cannot have a honest, civil, adult conversation here if people keep telling you to "shut up and don't discuss that". That's not civil. And that's the main issue sadly.
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Originally Posted by Daedalus
Well, that lasted all of three posts... He literally just said he can't change any of that stuff, regardless of whether anyone wants to or not.
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I do not say the devs are the problem or that there is no cooperation as you represent. The problem is not you guys who provide us with a lot and work so much to bring this to reality. Let it be clear the problems are NOT the devs of any system.
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Originally Posted by gulliver
Did you know that we got a lot of cooperation from the OS4 guys?
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You cannot be united if people are fighting with each other, and devs vs. community has never been a fight. We support you to the bitter end.