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Rabbit80 29 June 2009 21:59

How do I get the best WB performance?
 
Now that I have my 68030 /40Mhz Apollo card how do I tune Workbench for maximum performance?

I have 3.0 Roms - Can I run OS3.5?
How do I make sure all caches are on?
Can I boot from my drive if I convert it to SFS?
Can I relocate my kickstart into Fast Mem?
Any libraries optimised for 68030 that improve performance?
Other suggestions?

Currently running in 640x512x32 screenmode and using ClassicWB ADVSP as a base.

Cheers

Rabbit

Retro1234 29 June 2009 22:44

Your getting quite a setup Rabbit80:)

Id recomend OS3.5 -people always say its slow but ive found quite the opposite, very smooth and get the dockbar from 3.9.

OS3.5 is designed for 3.1 Roms - unless your going to upgrade your kickstart chip you can Skick into 3.1 roms, this should be easy if youve got all your kickstarts setup for WHDload you only need to download Skick from Aminet.
Or you can use the Tool SetVersion to run OS3.5 on 3.0 roms

Caches try ADos command Avail.

Also if you havent got a scandoubler MagicTV

Mad-Matt 29 June 2009 23:03

OS3.5 is only slower due to the higher bitplane requirement for the colors. Will be just as fast if you set it to basic (horrid) 4 colors. Amidock is cause of major slow down in os 3.9 as it is constantly refreshing its icons (noticable more on AGA output). Quit it and you get quite a chunk of memory and speed back.

NewWPA8 is an OS patch that should be part of any fresh wb install as it does so much good on AGA output.

Rabbit80 29 June 2009 23:16

Why would I need a scandoubler?

FOL 29 June 2009 23:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabbit80 (Post 566161)
Why would I need a scandoubler?

Think he ment "If you have'nt got a scandoubler, try MAGICTV"

If I remember, MagicTV is an application. Sure I have it on my A1200 setup.

Rabbit80 29 June 2009 23:43

What does it do? Why would I need it? - My LCD does not flicker (according to the manual it has an integrated de-interlacer)

StingRay 30 June 2009 00:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo (Post 566153)
Caches try ADos command Avail.

Avail has nothing to do with caches, it just shows the available memory. To enable caches the 'CPU' command can be used ('CPU cache burst' f.e.)

Retro1234 30 June 2009 00:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay (Post 566191)
Avail has nothing to do with caches, it just shows the available memory. To enable caches the 'CPU' command can be used ('CPU cache burst' f.e.)

You right - I knew it was one of the two:D

Rabbit80 30 June 2009 01:00

So what CPU command shall I add to my startup-sequence?

fc.studio 30 June 2009 01:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabbit80 (Post 566174)
What does it do? Why would I need it? - My LCD does not flicker (according to the manual it has an integrated de-interlacer)

What's the complete brand/name of your LCD TV? Is the image perfectly without flickering in 640x512 resolution and with RGB->SCART connection?

FOL 30 June 2009 01:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabbit80 (Post 566200)
So what CPU command shall I add to my startup-sequence?

You could try system patch 3. Search for it on EAB, but I cant remember if it works with 3.0 or anything other than OS3.9.

It fixes/patches a number of things.

Rabbit80 30 June 2009 01:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by fc.studio (Post 566201)
What's the complete brand/name of your LCD TV? Is the image perfectly without flickering in 640x512 resolution and with RGB->SCART connection?

Its a Hannspree. I don't have SCART working - I cannot make it accept the signal at all :(, but to compensate I am (I have a friend working on it this very second) hacking an old A520 to make an s-video output! Currently I am using composite.

The image is 100% rock steady - not a hint of flicker! Kind of like a (ever so slightly blurry) photograph!

FOL 30 June 2009 01:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by fc.studio (Post 566201)
What's the complete brand/name of your LCD TV? Is the image perfectly without flickering in 640x512 resolution and with RGB->SCART connection?

LCD's dont flicker.

MagicTV works on CRT's fine, as I used to use it on my standard CRT TV all the time. It done the job fine.

Rabbit80 30 June 2009 01:12

Will skick work with my ROMs? they are from AF2008

Retro1234 30 June 2009 01:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabbit80 (Post 566207)
Will skick work with my ROMs? they are from AF2008

If they work with WHDload - download Skick click on the icon, this will bring up a GUI and list avalible kickstarts

I think ill have to get an LCD - do games look good on the LCD? -do they blur when scrolling

Try what StingRay said 'CPU cache burst' or type CPU ? for all commands ive only used this to help run a few CD32 games

Rabbit80 30 June 2009 01:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo (Post 566210)
If they work with WHDload - download Skick click on the icon, this will bring up a GUI and list avalible kickstarts

I think ill have to get an LCD - do games look good on the LCD? -do they blur when scrolling

Try what StingRay said 'CPU cache burst' or type CPU ? for all commands ive only used this to help run a few CD32 games

I'll try it tomorrow..

My advice with LCD is to get a 100Hz model - much smoother and less blurry. They are not quite as sharp as CRT when scrolling, but not exactly awful either :D

I'll look into the CPU command - i guess if i softkick, I won't need to use FASTROM on that?

How do I upgrade my ClassicWB install to OS3.5? Do I have all the software I need with my AF2008 CD?

Retro1234 30 June 2009 01:52

Ok cool - My brothers got an LCD ill test on his first. Let me know how it goes, ive never tried FASTROM but I could never get the Rom to load into fast with Skick and when the rom was in Chip I got a lot of slowdown You might not have these problems - but thats why I use 3.5 on 3.0 roms using SetVersion.

fc.studio 30 June 2009 10:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOL (Post 566205)
LCD's dont flicker.

MagicTV works on CRT's fine, as I used to use it on my standard CRT TV all the time. It done the job fine.


PLEASE STOP TO REPORT LCDs DON'T FLICKER!!!
I'm interested in a 15" / 17" / 19" LCD monitor to connect with an AMIGA RGB -> SCART cable able to display 640x256 AND 650x512 with 100% rock steady image on my basic A1200 (without scandoubler and/or flickerfixer).
Perhaps I don't know/understand the meaning of "flicker", but I can confirm you that my LG LCD Monitor / TV has 99% rock steady image in 640x256 (100% is in 1084S / M1438S / M1538S Amiga monitor) and unfortunately everybody can see differences and flashing screen in 640x512. In this last resolution you can use it only for a few minutes.

...SO PLEASE STOP TO REPORT LCDs DON'T FLICKER!!!
Probably it depends on the brand / model. Mine does in 640x512, so I'm searching for other models.

About MagicTV I know it. It does the job but NOT enough fine (and it is limited in colours number). A 100% rock steady image is other...

thomas 30 June 2009 11:49

Quote:

PLEASE STOP TO REPORT LCDs DON'T FLICKER
It depends on whether the LCD TV has a deinterlacer built-in or not.

On CRT TVs you could simply buy a 100Hz one and it would not flicker.

There are 100Hz LCD TVs, too, but 100Hz technique for LCDs means something different than for CRTs. I don't know if 100Hz for LCD does automatically imply a deinterlacer.

Rabbit80 30 June 2009 12:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by fc.studio (Post 566269)
PLEASE STOP TO REPORT LCDs DON'T FLICKER!!!
I'm interested in a 15" / 17" / 19" LCD monitor to connect with an AMIGA RGB -> SCART cable able to display 640x256 AND 650x512 with 100% rock steady image on my basic A1200 (without scandoubler and/or flickerfixer).
Perhaps I don't know/understand the meaning of "flicker", but I can confirm you that my LG LCD Monitor / TV has 99% rock steady image in 640x256 (100% is in 1084S / M1438S / M1538S Amiga monitor) and unfortunately everybody can see differences and flashing screen in 640x512. In this last resolution you can use it only for a few minutes.

...SO PLEASE STOP TO REPORT LCDs DON'T FLICKER!!!
Probably it depends on the brand / model. Mine does in 640x512, so I'm searching for other models.

About MagicTV I know it. It does the job but NOT enough fine (and it is limited in colours number). A 100% rock steady image is other...

100Hz LCD makes for much better / less blurry scrolling - this has nothing to do with flickering!

Which is why I said that my TV has built in de-interlacer according to the manual...
Quote:

My LCD does not flicker (according to the manual it has an integrated de-interlacer)


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