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Yes. I was not clear.
With my comment I meant that I doubt commodore ever made the chip set as originally designed: yuv and with composite signal generation builtin. http://elwoodb.free.fr/Amiga/Jay.txt It is actually fascinating to think that it would have been possible to have an Amiga with software selectable RGB/yuv mode. |
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Yes, i know however seem that HAM should be in YUV mode with RGB output (i.e. YUV color space conversion on silicone). Currently i investigating new vidiot capable to do regular RGB + YPbPr directly (same Amiga output as usual, sync on green etc) with digital control and perhaps some uC (XMOS?) on board to do extra things. (To be honest it is quite tempting to place 3x32kB 8bit SRAM chips from old PC cache to have huge CLUT - controlling this from Copper/CPU and for example XMOS uC may be a nice thing - AGA already have similar feature and allow to put CLUT index in digital way). |
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edit: Yes, according to the text file 'ovale' posted above; "In 1983 we made a motherboard for the breads to be plugged in, took this to the CES show and we showed some little demos to selected people away from the main floor. At the show itself, they wrote the bouncing ball demo and this blew people away. They couldn't believe that all this wiring was going to be three chips. The booming noise of the ball was Bob Parasseau hitting a foam baseball bat against our garage door. It was sampled on an Apple ][ and the data massaged into Amiga samples.CES was really important to us as we were getting short of money and the response from that show really lifted the team. We were still short of money and several re-mortgages later we managed to keep up with the payroll. It's amazing how much it costs to pay 15 or 20 people!" So that 'black box' prototype is from the 1983 CES show. |
Explanation for "Copper not draining" serial debug message (that does not appear in emulation, for obvious reasons): Copper is not working.
"Dancing April Fool's GFXLIB" creates single-move copper list that should clear copper dma bit in DMACON. If bit does not clear after short CPU delay, "Copper not draining" is written to serial port, GFXLIB init is aborted, screen stays black (instead of showing green on black garbage..) Probably not the only chip bug in prototype chips. |
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The pic here shows the Portia chip (later known as Paula) at the bottom centre. "4703" is written on it. That chip looks to be on some kind of "kludge board", that board plugging into the socket on the motherboard. That may obscure another of the custom chips which could be plugged directly into the motherboard. Another board with what looks like the mouse port connectors on (lower right of the above pic) could obscure another custom chip. The serial number label on the side says COMMODORE-AMIGA DEVELOPMENT SYSTEM SERIAL NO. D-116 |
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I did some searching on Lorraine and found this page... http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ck.../lorraine.html That explains it then and that the picture of the breadboards/developer system were some kind of showcase to show what they had developed (not physical linked to one another).. ah, makes sense now. :) edit: that photo of the breadboard/developer system were taken in 2003 - Dale Luck owns those apparently. |
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The drawback is that clut can be changed only on the vblank. A new vidiot savant :) could also transform halfbright mode in a real 64 colors mode, and as you said perform yuv to RGB conversion for a yuv ham mode. Please do it :) |
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Going slightly further and accessing Denise (RGA + other signals) gives lot of possibilities. |
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It may have been late Paula revision feature and they didn't want (and/or have time) to modify already feature complete and fully tested trackdisk.device code. |
Another hardware difference found: Both CIA chips generate interrupt level 2. (CIA-A = level 2 and CIA-B = level 6 in production hardware)
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very interesting thread! Does the garbled screen look like this ? http://eab.abime.net/attachment.php?...1&d=1430668517 This is a screenshot from an Amiga Velvet, ROM v24.61 with the serial number D-597. http://eab.abime.net/attachment.php?...1&d=1430668773 I have never tried to connect this Amiga to a serial terminal. Frank |
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Aha, so someone else has one of these early units.
Would you be able to dump its Kickstart ROMs? It might in theory be possible to dump them using software if you don't want to risk damaging the chips. In the mean time, write the attached ADF to disk and try booting your Velvet unit with it. Does it boot? You should see multi-coloured stripes if it does. |
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A few ideas for how to dump the ROM data without physically removing and reading the EPROM chips:
- Output ROM data over the serial port, capture the data on your PC. Maybe the built-in serial monitor can be used for that, in which case no need for a working floppy drive. - Write a small program to show a graphical representation of ROM data. Capture Amiga video output and process on PC to extract the data. (Similar principle to those old video backup system products, except simpler.) - Write a small program to write the ROM data to floppy disk. I might have a go at doing that myself... |
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Okay, here's that Velvet ROM-dumping program!
Instructions: Write the ADF to a disk. Leave it write-enabled. Power on Velvet system, insert the disk. Press Ctrl-Amiga-Amiga to reset. Initially the screen will be yellow for a couple of seconds. As ROM data is written to the disk it flashes black/white. When finished the screen goes green. If there is a write error screen will go red. Not tested on real hardware, but seems to work in WinUAE. Edit to add: The 512KB at $F80000 is written to disk starting at track 1 side 0 (so offset 11264 in the ADF file). Edit 2: if you accidentally boot with the disk write-protected the screen will go red, but I forgot to turn the drive motor off in that case. You'll probably want to reset then quickly remove the disk instead of removing it with the motor spinning. |
Sorry for waking up the dead, but was there any progress with that ever?
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