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DamienD 11 October 2018 20:00

DamienD's WinUAE Collection - [720x576] Old vs New Scanlines
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by WallyGR (Post 1274191)
Thanx Damien! I am eager to try the new update

Sorry for bringing this up again but...
If we know which games are 640*480 and which are 720*576, I THINK we can work out a scanline configuration for each resolution and apply it in accordingly...can't we?

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Originally Posted by DamienD (Post 1274199)
I can definitely tell you how to work out which games are 640x480 or 720x576 :agree

Just use Notepad++, "Search" --> "Find in Files", then for "Find what:" enter "gfx_width_fullscreen=720". This gives you a list of all 720x576 configurations...

I did play round with creating a custom "scanlines" like mask and things looked ok when used with only 720x576 games and there was no tearing as opposed to when setting "1:2".

When I'm home tonight I'll give you details to see what you think ;)

Sorry for the delay WallyGR, been busy doing other tasks...

Here's what I came up with, again it's by no means perfect but; at least the scanlines are consistent and there's no tearing.

To test you need to do the following:
  • Download the attached and extract into "C:\WinUAE\Plugins\masks".
  • Load a game that has a resolution of 720x576 applied.
  • Select "Filter", next to "Masks", change "None" --> "720x576_Scanlines.png".
  • Under "Extra Settings" select "Scanline opacity" and set as "0".
The big question is, does the above look better than the current settings for 720x576 games?

DamienD 11 October 2018 23:50

DamienD's WinUAE Collection - Old vs New Scanlines
 
Yeah all good man ;)

To be honest; I'm very interested in what people who keep scanlines on i.e. the default setting in my collection; think about post #1288.

I've been testing numerous 720x576 games and think that I may swap to this... but I would really like people to test / give feedback first as it's quite a big change and will affect all of you so...

Feedback please :agree

ransom1122 12 October 2018 01:20

Scanlines Test

New

http://i65.tinypic.com/25i441g.jpg

Vs

Old
http://i68.tinypic.com/a0crvd.jpg

New looks better more brighter and less dull with that scanline feel.

dragon57 12 October 2018 03:42

Another vote for the new way.

WallyGR 12 October 2018 08:41

Damien I would love to participate in a scanlines testing.

Believe it or not, I cannot play games in LCD if a (correct) scanline shader or effect is not present.

Best way to test is in monochrome light coloured screenings (eg a light blue workbench screen)

DamienD 12 October 2018 09:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by ransom1122 (Post 1276112)
Scanlines Test

New

http://i65.tinypic.com/25i441g.jpg

Vs

Old
http://i68.tinypic.com/a0crvd.jpg

New looks better more brighter and less dull with that scanline feel.

Unfortunately the old way doesn't look like this though, wish it did as then I wouldn't be messing around...

When you take screenshots it's before the 720x576 "scaling" so the scanlines are even; just like when in "Windowed" mode.

Have a look at the old way when in "Fullscreen" and you'll notice that the scanlines are not even at all.

ransom1122 12 October 2018 09:27

Can you throw up a workbench desktop old and new?

DamienD 12 October 2018 09:33

You can't capture this in a screenshot unfortunately...

Best way to see the old method / uneven scanlines is to start a 720x576 game and immediately pause emulation while the grey screens are flicking through. You'll then see what WallyGR has been talking about.

You don't really notice that much when in-game screens are present unless you look really hard.

Afterwards do the same with the new method to compare.

ransom1122 12 October 2018 10:33

Oh well I gave it a try and...

Deluxe Galaga [AGA] - Grey loading screen

New
http://i68.tinypic.com/sg0das.jpg

Old
http://i63.tinypic.com/28nn7m.jpg

New - Looks more even....

But that's an opinion from a guy who generally plays with no scanlines :shocked

malko 12 October 2018 11:04

Not easy to see something without playing with the orientation of the screen :p

DamienD 12 October 2018 11:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by ransom1122 (Post 1276173)
Oh well I gave it a try and...

Deluxe Galaga [AGA] - Grey loading screen

<snip>

New - Looks more even....

But that's an opinion from a guy who generally plays with no scanlines :shocked

This screen is too dark to see anything.

Best to pause emulation on a very light grey, pure white or light blue screen to see the issue.

Anyway, again, you cannot capture this in a screenshot... the scanlines look even there.

You can only see it when in "Fullscreen" mode.

speshady 12 October 2018 23:34

Sorry, i prefer the old. New appears to look blockier than the old.
Maybe its just my eyesight though...

dax 13 October 2018 01:12

New is better. Thanks for the improvement, Damien :)

WallyGR 13 October 2018 09:26

Silly question ahead:
I cannot find the "new". Damien can you post an old and a new config of a 720*576 game so I can test and post workbench pictures tested in 1080p display?

Thanx!

EDIT:SORRY I HAVE JUST NOTICED THERE WAS AN ATTACHMENT!

honx 13 October 2018 11:40

can i download old mask somewhere to be able to compare?
in first post there is only the new one attached.

Specksynder 13 October 2018 18:04

New. :great

DamienD 14 October 2018 14:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by speshady (Post 1276406)
Sorry, i prefer the old. New appears to look blockier than the old.
Maybe its just my eyesight though...

I know what you mean, the new scanlines are like double scanlines but it's the only way I could get them to look consistent.

DamienD 14 October 2018 14:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by honx (Post 1276503)
can i download old mask somewhere to be able to compare?
in first post there is only the new one attached.

I didn't use any masks previously, just the scanlines via "Filters" set at 50% opacity.

WallyGR 14 October 2018 19:02

The 1000 Miglia game is excellent for testing scanlines.
After the boot,the game displays a red screen with the (crack?) team info where you are stuck unless you press the mouse button.

I have tested all available masks, and Damien's is the best choice.

Surely not the perfect scanlines BUT WAY BETTER than the uneven thing that comes with the default settings (that is excellent for 640*480 games).

I have tested in a 1080p display.

I vote the New config and I will be very happy if Damien can post a new set of configs for the 720*576 games.

honx 14 October 2018 22:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD (Post 1276752)
I didn't use any masks previously, just the scanlines via "Filters" set at 50% opacity.

okay, that's similar to what i'm using (40% opacity). :D


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