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Sukerbole 14 June 2024 20:16

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Originally Posted by Hedeon (Post 1689947)
Muscan output seems fine. vendorname/devicename depends on whether you have the vendors.txt file in the right location. Seeing that the voodoo is recognized by name I guess FreeScale is missing in that vendors.txt file.

Those screenshots, are those voodoo screens or native screens? In other words, is the voodoo running?

Maybe cleaning of the PCI connector helps.

Extra cleaning. Cleaned it now like crazy does not help…

So I will call it a broken board until proven otherwise.
I have now ordered that other board and send the Torsti guy on a1k a PM for such an pci card. So hopefully that will work better.

grelbfarlk 14 June 2024 20:52

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Originally Posted by Chiel73 (Post 1690090)
Does anyone know how to increase the 450MHz on the PrPMC8005E G4 450MHz modules?

Yes, but you probably would have to remove the heatsink to be able to move a SMT resistor around. If that's something you want to try.
I haven't done this myself but I buzzed it out.

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Originally Posted by Sukerbole (Post 1690092)
Extra cleaning. Cleaned it now like crazy does not help…

So I will call it a broken board until proven otherwise.
I have now ordered that other board and send the Torsti guy on a1k a PM for such an pci card. So hopefully that will work better.

You might want to try a $10 RTL8029 card in the top slot. In my experience with a Mediator MK-IV I couldn't ever get the KillerNIC to work without adding something to the top slot.
That being said the Apocalypse is sooooo much better than the KillerNIC, that that's probably a better way to go anyway, but it really needs the 256MB upgrade too.

Sukerbole 14 June 2024 21:08

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Originally Posted by grelbfarlk (Post 1690099)
You might want to try a $10 RTL8029 card in the top slot. In my experience with a Mediator MK-IV I couldn't ever get the KillerNIC to work without adding something to the top slot.
That being said the Apocalypse is sooooo much better than the KillerNIC, that that's probably a better way to go anyway, but it really needs the 256MB upgrade too.

Also put a yamaha pci soundcard in the topslot during testing. Did a lot of testing………..
Sometimes it briefly showed more ram in certain combinations… But then always some error message followed….

Chiel73 14 June 2024 22:02

@grelbfarlk cool. Soldering and heatsink no problem. Need to know what to move.

grelbfarlk 14 June 2024 22:02

https://i.imgur.com/BG7badb.png
So if you look at the table if you move the resistor at position 0 to position 1, that should give you 500MHz. You'll need to find another resistor if you want to try 550MHz which you would populate positions 1 and 2. Or you could move it to position 2 for 600MHz.

Again, you should strongly consider that I'm full of shit and don't know what I'm talking about, and I will mention again I haven't done this myself.

That being said I have done this with Raptures and with enough cooling and faster L2 Cache it runs at 600MHz.

The other thing to consider is that what I found on the Ragnarok is that it slows the memory down to account for this(this is before Wrangler made the software clocking tool). Not sure if the Apocalypse will behave in the same way, it might not and that would be bad since it might clock the memory too fast.

Reference manual:
https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/data-sheet/MPC7410EC.pdf

Chiel73 14 June 2024 22:14

Ok that's cool. Thanks will give it a go. I was looking at the same stuff.

Chiel73 14 June 2024 23:57

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It's running at 600MHz.
0 to 1 = 500MHz
0 to 2 = 600MHz
0 to 3 = 350MHz
Thanks very much.

Hedeon 15 June 2024 00:09

Nice job. Next is to upgrade it to 256MB.

Hedeon 15 June 2024 00:34

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Originally Posted by Sukerbole (Post 1690107)
Also put a yamaha pci soundcard in the topslot during testing. Did a lot of testing………..
Sometimes it briefly showed more ram in certain combinations… But then always some error message followed….

I could test the card if you dare send it to me.

What kind of Mediator do you have? MKII, MKIII, MKIV?

Sukerbole 16 June 2024 00:16

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Originally Posted by Hedeon (Post 1690149)
I could test the card if you dare send it to me.What kind of Mediator do you have? MKII, MKIII, MKIV?

-It's a Mediator PCI 4000Di 3V MK-IV.

Concerning the other card I ordered on Ebay.
So I also need a PCI-carrier to make it usable.
I asked in the A1K forum for one. The initial reaction from the forum was that they are available or very soon a new batch will come (this month). However after a PM from Torsti the reality is that all cards are sold and no new batches are planned any more. This could maybe change if there is a significant request in the future.
I also had a look at Amibay but as this is the same person selling the cards this also indicates "closed" (of course). And no other carriers were for sale.
I saw in this forum that also another person developed a PCI carrier. He maybe has a PCB left however is a bit hesitant as it seems to be not fully stable especially in OpenGL (and discussed this with you?).
So I'm wondering what your advice is on this one (has it really to do with his PCB as it just a passive thing). Just ask for the PCB and build it is probably the only option for getting one. There is no Github for the Torsti version and or PCBway/JLCPCB build link thingie (at least I could not find one).

Yes could send the M1 (thanks for the offer) to you however then you have a lot of work. It would be probably better if I have two cards so I can troubleshoot myself some more on my Amiga 4000.

Hedeon 16 June 2024 07:27

Torsti used to say that if enough sold, he would make it open-source. Maybe ask that, indeed. If you are comfortable building it yourself.

Not sure who the other person is but I don't remember any discussion.

trixster 16 June 2024 09:18

@sukerbole I have a spare Ramix 239/f I could sell. PM if you’re interested.

Sukerbole 16 June 2024 09:54

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Originally Posted by Hedeon (Post 1690308)
Torsti used to say that if enough sold, he would make it open-source. Maybe ask that, indeed. If you are comfortable building it yourself.

Not sure who the other person is but I don't remember any discussion.

Probably misunderstood the discussion part. You can find a user name Buggs here with a picture of a carrier. It does work but seems unstable in openGL which is maybe related to the pci carrier.
Building myself.. The biggest headache is probably getting the correct parts and waiting for them. Will ask for open source but I got the impression this is not (yet) the case. (confirmed)

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Originally Posted by trixster (Post 1690319)
@sukerbole I have a spare Ramix 239/f I could sell. PM if you’re interested.

Will send a PM…

Maybe have found a solution at 1k..

Sukerbole 22 June 2024 22:47

So got the prpmc8005e 1259 card today. Luckily there was no import duties this time.
Was wondering if you also need to put a jumper somewhere. In the github this is not mentioned however there is a youtube video were this is mentioned:
(around 8.20 mark)

https://youtu.be/bGDXMCxZSDM?si=IJRQfQNfFv2teV4k

Hedeon 22 June 2024 23:06

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Originally Posted by Sukerbole (Post 1691579)
Was wondering if you also need to put a jumper somewhere.

Yes

Hedeon 23 June 2024 01:02

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Warp3D not working btw.

Not sure if it ever worked with PCI cards? I remember V4 running with my CSPPC with incorrect colors in W3D.

grelbfarlk 23 June 2024 14:49

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Originally Posted by Hedeon (Post 1691588)
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Warp3D not working btw.

Not sure if it ever worked with PCI cards? I remember V4 running with my CSPPC with incorrect colors in W3D.


Yep, this version works with Voodoo 4 on Prometheus.

Warp3D does work as tested with Cowcat's GLQuake, speeds about what a 166MHz V3 should be. Quake 2 got 63FPS on demo1 @640x480x16bpp.

Though I remember the Mediator V4 driver displayed incorrect colors with BE modes, this works correctly, tried it with Amigenerator (which expects BE modes).

Still the Voodoo 4 takes a ridiculous amount of address space for just 32MB of VRAM, leaving the Ragnarok only 128MB of RAM.
Anyway it does work.

Hedeon 23 June 2024 19:27

OK, good to hear it is fixed.

Maybe the wrong colors were on the mediator.

grelbfarlk 23 June 2024 20:25

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Originally Posted by Hedeon (Post 1691693)
OK, good to hear it is fixed.

Maybe the wrong colors were on the mediator.

This was part of the legend how Elbox used the Prometheus driver and brought over the same bugs to the Mediator driver when running a Voodoo 4. Now I'm not so sure that tale is true.

Hedeon 23 June 2024 20:29

The prometheus voodoo driver was updated ;-) I am not even sure V4 worked on the prometheus before. Also not sure the old version had BE modes. Also with V4 you have 15bit modes.

Can you give me the sizes of

warp3dppc.library
3dfxvoodooo.chip
w3d_picasso96_ppc.library
w3d_avengerle_ppc.library
w3d_avengerbe_ppc.library

as here it crashes.


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