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Shoonay 02 April 2009 12:17

Just like with any other hardware: because it exists.

TCD 02 April 2009 12:28

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Originally Posted by Shoonay (Post 532166)
Just like with any other hardware: because it exists.

Sorry pal, but I will never get that point of view ;) You buy three different TVs because they exist? I can understand you use it to play the exclusive games on the platform, but not 'because it exists'...

Shoonay 02 April 2009 12:47

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Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid (Post 532173)
Sorry pal, but I will never get that point of view ;) You buy three different TVs because they exist?

Yes, I see how you struggle with this if you suddenly jump to TV's from retro computing ;)

Well, I'm afraid you got me argument wrong...
I merely said that one of the reasons people are checking a *different* (key word) retro system is just that: because it exists.
Never said you have to get one. ;)

BTW: May I remind you, that we're all here on a retro computing site, and if you, or anyone else would think that "the newest = bestest hardware" this site would prolly not exist?
And yes, I am also aware of this "sickness" called Nostalgia.

TCD 02 April 2009 12:55

I really like to get me wrong or is that again one of your super duper mind f*cking games? :p Before this completely goes OT I just said that I don't see why CyberPaint should better than DPaint and that I can compare two retro systems (especially if they are Amiga and ST :cheese) and tell what I think about them ;)

Shoonay 02 April 2009 13:02

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Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid (Post 532187)
I really like to get me wrong

You really like to get you wrong? erm... what? :blased

Never mind.
I think we're talking about 2 different things here... may I repeat myself?

Getting a different retro system, for some people can be fun only because of that - it exists.

I don't want you to get it, I have nothing against your comparisons, I never said this Cyber proggie is better then DeluxePaint proggie.

AmigaFriend 02 April 2009 13:03

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Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid (Post 532145)
Did you expect it to be better than DPaint? :p

Yes what did you xpect? :D

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Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid (Post 532163)
Why would anyone want to enjoy a ST??? :shocked
:cheese
There are some (a very few) games that really are better on the ST, but I repeat : If you have the Amiga, why bother with the ST? :D

Yes indeed. And why are we also discussing AGAIN ST stuff on a Amiga board?

Oh, I remember now- to say: ST suxxx!! :cheese

TCD 02 April 2009 13:16

Might be that we're talking about two different things ;) Oh and I let my freudian mistake in my post :D

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Originally Posted by Shoonay (Post 532190)
Getting a different retro system, for some people can be fun only because of that - it exists.

I think you get (or emulate) the system because you like something about it :) Of course there are people who just get everything because it's there, but I would say the majority of people who are into retro gaming do it because they either have nostalgic memories (which includes liking the system) or discovered the system now and like it. The thing about the ST is just my point of view and I put the IMHO in the very first post where I said the ST sucks (in different words ;)).

Shoonay 02 April 2009 13:23

Yes, you're right about the thing with nostalgia - if you don't like it, why use it?
Well, as a person who never owned a *HUGE* number of different systems, I'd like to get it someday and check it meself just because it exists. ;)
Funny thing too, the more the naysayers, the more I want it... oh yeah, that's why I got Vista a few years back... :cheese

PS: No Atari ST offers please, lol

TCD 02 April 2009 13:40

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Originally Posted by Shoonay (Post 532202)
PS: No Atari ST offers please, lol

Phew! I almost thought that we've lost you :D
Just to make the view on things even more complicated, I have to say that I really enjoyed two or three games that s2325 posted in the ST exclusive thread a while back :shocked ;)

Sensi 02 April 2009 13:58

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, why must all these threads turn into ST vs Amiga vs PC vs C64 vs Speccy vs Sega vs Nintendo discussion? :)
Now I realized this thread is "Cyber Paint, Atari ST, King of the paint programs," so it could very user friendly and useful retro paint utility, doesnt matter on which system it exists :)

AmigaFriend 02 April 2009 15:44

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Originally Posted by SensibleFan (Post 532215)
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, why must all these threads turn into ST vs Amiga vs PC vs C64 vs Speccy vs Sega vs Nintendo discussion? :)
Now I realized this thread is "Cyber Paint, Atari ST, King of the paint programs," so it could very user friendly and useful retro paint utility, doesnt matter on which system it exists :)


No, this is not a ST vs Amiga vs PC vs C64 vs Speccy vs Sega vs Nintendo.

All other systems are fine since they are not ST. This is no versus. Is a fact. :)

asm1 02 April 2009 15:57

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Originally Posted by SensibleFan (Post 532120)
Shoonay I am neutral and fairy guy. ST is good machine. But not for graphics when you have Amiga.


I assume the fairy was a typo? or are you trying to tell us something? :cheese

You are ALL wrong... Acorn Archimedes kicks arse all over the shop.... ST ? STFU :crazy:D:great

Just a pity they cocked it up spectacularly.....

Graham Humphrey 02 April 2009 15:58

Guys this has gone far too off-topic now I think.

Fred the Fop 02 April 2009 16:28

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Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid (Post 532145)
Did you expect it to be better than DPaint? :p
On a serious note : Seems to be a really good paint program on the ST, but I can't see a feature that makes it 'better' than DPaint.

The numbered sliding bar rocks.

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Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid (Post 532163)
Why would anyone want to enjoy a ST??? :shocked
:cheese
There are some (a very few) games that really are better on the ST, but I repeat : If you have the Amiga, why bother with the ST? :D

Because, you digi-racist, the ST was an excellent gaming machine with great games. Not as colourful, great sounding or smooth as the Amiga, but looking at two same games side by side, the difference is not that stupefying.

And besides, I was poor and could not afford an Amiga, so I had an Atari ST.

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Originally Posted by asm1 (Post 532271)
I assume the fairy was a typo? or are you trying to tell us something? :cheese

You are ALL wrong... Acorn Archimedes kicks arse all over the shop.... ST ? STFU :crazy:D:great

Just a pity they cocked it up spectacularly.....

Ill meet you outside the Tescos in Motherwell and call you a right dick to your face! ST Rulez! :cheese

TCD 02 April 2009 16:54

Sorry that I offended you Fred :sad As I said 'if you have an Amiga'. I agree that the ST isn't that bad and most games are pretty playable on it. Actually there are a few games that are better on the ST than on the Amiga (mainly because the guy that converted it to the Amiga wasn't as skilled as the original coder on the ST). I don't like the word racist, but I can't deny that I'm an Amiga chauvinist ;)

Charlie 02 April 2009 17:14

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Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid (Post 532163)
Why would anyone want to enjoy a ST??? :shocked

Weel, if it's a used one... ;)

asm1 02 April 2009 20:30

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Originally Posted by Fred the Fop (Post 532280)
Ill meet you outside the Tescos in Motherwell and call you a right dick to your face! ST Rulez! :cheese

No thanks motherwell is a dump :cheese Besides thats a hell of a long way for you to go according to your location just to call me names :p. As for me being a "right dick", well they do say it takes one to know one...

If on the other hand you are a bit more local than your location suggests, this is Scotland mate ;) cant you come up with something a weebit more offensive? :D "Ah yoor a right dick so ye urr!" doesn't quite have the same effect as:

"See you, you don't half talk pish ya F****ing C***.
Yer maw's/sister's S*ite in bed and so's yer paw, but ah gave him wan tae so he wouldnae feel jealous!"

"A right dick" doesn't cut it up here mate :cheese

Besides I was only joking... about the ST... Never had one meself, I reckon the ST/Amiga and Archimedes all had their own strengths/weaknesses. Why I say the Arc pissed on both, is simply because at the time, Schools adopted Acorn kit. I think my school had at least 100 Archimedes... one lonely ST in the Music dept and 0 Amigas.... That doesn't mean much except I was exposed to Acorn kit far more than Amigas or ST's.

Whatever is/was best (and I don't think there's a clear winner between the three) doesn't really matter now does it? All the Manufacturers went down the Crapper :( Commodore and Acorn Brands have been bought off and now make Pee Cees :( Atari still nominally makes games... thats it.

:lol:lol:lol:lol

Sensi 02 April 2009 20:40

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Originally Posted by asm1 (Post 532271)
I assume the fairy was a typo? or are you trying to tell us something? :cheese

No, it wasnt. Yes, I am trying to tell you I am gonna make a submissive biatch out of you :cheese

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred the Fop (Post 532280)
Because, you digi-racist, the ST was an excellent gaming machine with great games. Not as colourful, great sounding or smooth as the Amiga, but looking at two same games side by side, the difference is not that stupefying.


As a fairy guy I have to say, ST is good (not "ST isnt bad"). But Amiga is Amiga and once you try it, no chance for ST.


If you cant afford good gaming machine Fred, PM me, I am sure we make a deal. It will hurt but there is no progress without pain.

asm1 02 April 2009 20:49

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Originally Posted by SensibleFan (Post 532354)
No, it wasnt. Yes, I am trying to tell you I am gonna make a submissive biatch out of you :cheese


That a promise? ;) Looking forward to it :laughing :cheese:great

Sensi 02 April 2009 21:02

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Originally Posted by asm1 (Post 532357)
That a promise? ;) Looking forward to it :laughing :cheese:great

I've got dejavu or we dealt in this way in the past.
You stop laughing with flatiron in your mouth you nasty little whore
:mad

This is too offtopic and I dont wanna continue in it (here :)).

ST games are not so colourful and sharp as Amiga games but when you play C64 versions of some Amiga titles and you like them, there is no reason not like ST games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XASnGpemk_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5ic3Fy-tVY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vorxKkVRhu4


Its up to you to make your own opinion.
I was poor too and I am very glad i bought Ami (and spent all my money) and not ST. Its queen of gaming machines :bowdown


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