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gklinger 14 September 2008 22:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDNI (Post 458406)
Maybe Laser could test and see what happens when you heat it to say >70'C ....

I'd throw in a few quid to help pay for the H2o2. :crazy

Jokes aside, has anyone made a video of this yet? I think it would be really interesting and helpful. I'm a little nervous as I'm going to be taking my first crack at this next week. I've got a Commodore VIC-20 case that could stand a good freshening up. Does the process stop when the plastic is removed from the liquid? I'm concerned about going too far.

tonyyeb 14 September 2008 23:01

Hmmm. Nice link but not what I was wanting. I would prefer something that talked more specifically about computer parts. Plus it talks about watering it down and using a florecent tubes...

Chris

tonyyeb 14 September 2008 23:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by gklinger (Post 458409)
has anyone made a video of this yet? I think it would be really interesting and helpful. I'm a little nervous as I'm going to be taking my first crack at this next week.

Yeah that would be great. Someone should do that. A nice little tutorial video.

DDNI 14 September 2008 23:07

Lets list H2O2 products that are available for purchase:

baquashock is a swimming pool cleaner. It is 36% H2O2.

Merlin 14 September 2008 23:35

@ Tonyyeb

OK,

Wear gloves, and protect your eyes if you can, get some goggles from Poundland in the decorating department; you only get one pair of eyes.

You need H2O2 (as strong as you can get). Add 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoonful per gallon of Oxy to the H2O2 and immerse the part to be cleaned. Leave the tank out in the sun or below a UV lamp. Most parts will clean up in six to eight hours.

tonyyeb 14 September 2008 23:40

Any need to weight the stuff down, or floating on the top is ok?

Merlin 15 September 2008 09:03

Plasticene works as long as you attach it to an area that won't be seen. You could also use a fishing weight and line to hold it under the surface. I don't think the fishing line will leave any 'tan lines' on the finished part.

Merlin 15 September 2008 10:02

Sorry DDNI, I have to feed the troll.....:nuts:laughing

Quote:

Originally Posted by laser (Post 458379)
I don't care about what Lorne says...who is Lorne? a scientist?
I say what I think and what I experimented....
UV light does not help to accelerate

it's not very difficult to understand that heat is the best accelerator because when the liquid is exposed to severe air heat......
that means accelerated with a stove which produces warm air.....the h202 start immediately to bubble......so the reaction is ready fast

bubble = h202 reaction

there's no rapid bubble reaction using any kind of UV light...I tested that

@ Laser

Yes, I am a scientist; I am a former industrial chemist with 25 years experience in oils and petrochemicals, is that enough qualifications for you? Lorne is working the wrinkles out of the process with my help, which you would know if you had bothered to read the thread.

The UV is required as it destabilises the co-ordinate bond formed between the bromine in the flame retardant and the oxygen. This allows the peracetic acid (formed by TAED reacting with peroxide) to detach the oxygen and it gets replaced by a hydrogen, effectively re-capping the polymer chain.

The UV doesn't create bubbles, that is partly due to how much Oxy you add as the TAED in the Oxy catalyses the peroxide.

I suggest you read the TAED Wiki as it goes into more detail as to what I'm talking about. I'm not going to copy and paste chemical formulae into this post as it shouldn't be necessary and puts people to sleep...:sleep

In short, I am telling you what works.....if 99 Fahrenheit's worth of heat doesn't work without UV light, doesn't that tell you something....?:banghead

The pictures posted of the results speak for themselves. :great

tonyyeb 15 September 2008 12:46

Well ive started my second attempt:

Before shot with what the colour should be:

http://eab.abime.net/picture.php?alb...&pictureid=495

Alphabet soup anyone?:

http://eab.abime.net/picture.php?alb...&pictureid=496

The process is started:

http://eab.abime.net/picture.php?alb...&pictureid=498

I was told the keys sould start to sink so no need to weigh them down. I will see if this is correct in about 8 hours!

Merlin 15 September 2008 13:46

This is what we want, this is proper science abuse, this isn't the blowing up caravans, Richard Hammond lightweight stuff!!

LOL

tonyyeb 15 September 2008 15:00

Lol. It looks like it is going well 2.5 hours in. Keep giving them a dunking as they have not sunk (yet!) and a quick stir as well.

Merlin 15 September 2008 15:14

Any chance of a 'during' picture, so that we can see ay change in the time spent so far, before we see the final 'after' ones, then?

tonyyeb 15 September 2008 15:21

I will take one at 3 hours (which will be in 20 mins I think)

Do you think the fact the keys are mostly floating will seriously affect the end result?

tonyyeb 15 September 2008 15:46

Before I started:
http://eab.abime.net/picture.php?alb...&pictureid=495

After three hours:
http://eab.abime.net/picture.php?alb...&pictureid=499

There is an improvement. Another 3 hours and ill take another picture.

tonyyeb 15 September 2008 16:42

One thing I decided to do at 3 hours was to submerge a key. I dried and added blutac to the bottom of the 'A' key.:

http://eab.abime.net/picture.php?alb...&pictureid=500

Lots of bubbles have formed on the surface... i'm thinking I should have done this to the rest now. Ill leave it until 6 hours and see what the 'L' key looks like.

Merlin 15 September 2008 17:20

That's a nice picture there, Tony, that explains a lot in terms of the surface activity.

Just a thought; do the keys sink if you turn them upside down? At the moment, they will fill with gas and float as they are hollow underneath. Maybe we need some sort of grille to hold components down that may float.

Nice work so far.....:great

tonyyeb 15 September 2008 17:24

Thanks. The keys still float but are most submerged when upside down. But then they wont get any light.

The grill is a nice idea, maybe some kind of mesh. But it would have to be fine for keys. And would it cause tan lines?

Merlin 15 September 2008 17:57

I don't know, mate. One other idea that came to me was to trap them under a sheet of clear plastic, something like Lexan sheet. The sheet won't float but it will still let the UV light through.

tonyyeb 15 September 2008 18:53

Before shot:
http://eab.abime.net/picture.php?alb...&pictureid=495

3 hour shot:
http://eab.abime.net/picture.php?alb...&pictureid=499

6 hour shot:
http://eab.abime.net/picture.php?alb...&pictureid=501

The A has been weighed down for the past 3 hours. It looks a little lighter then the L but not a great deal. Back in they go for another 3 hours, then ill take a final shot.

tonyyeb 15 September 2008 20:55

I think it is safe to say that it has been a success (8 hour shot - had to use the flash but it looks about right irl):

http://eab.abime.net/picture.php?alb...&pictureid=502

The A key looks a tiny bit lighter than the L. The 1 key is from an A1200 I have waiting to be 'done'. It was in a better condition than the A600 that I did today. The difference is obvious. It would be easier to weigh down all the keys because as the bubbles form, they rise up, get caught by the keys and slowly turn over. I kept having to release the gas from under the keys.


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