Would a crt (Flatscreen) widescreen work?

nixxjsteve · 12 January 2011, 21:44

Im looking for a tv just for the amiga, I currently have it hooked up via a scart/rgb to a sony bravia 40" works alright but not exactly perfect. Question is this... is is best to get a 4:3 crt? or does widescreen (crt) look alright? Also there is no problem getting a flat crt right?

duga · 12 January 2011, 21:57

Get a widescreen-TV - but display the Amiga-modes in 4:3-ratio.

nixxjsteve · 12 January 2011, 22:02

Well I will only use it for the amiga, would you still suggest widescreen? (would it be stretched or bordered)

duga · 12 January 2011, 22:12

If only Amiga - get a 4:3 CRT. You get them for free - at least in Sweden.

fitzsteve · 12 January 2011, 22:14

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Originally Posted by nixxjsteve

Well I will only use it for the amiga, would you still suggest widescreen? (would it be stretched or bordered)

You get the choice to stretch or have borders, but some games (and this is where the Amiga was ahead of its self) are actually presented in Widescreen! So you can use the Zoom fuctions so fill the screen

nixxjsteve · 12 January 2011, 22:34

Ah righty very good thanks alot peeps

watertonian · 12 January 2011, 23:10

I've been using a widescreen for a few months now, and I like it. I'm also using a gfx card with p96, so I can set my workbench and a few apps to use the wider aspect, just have to set it up in picasso96mode. Regular AGA stuff is just "vertically letterboxed", though the super-hi-res modes might look good when stretched, though I don't do much AGA stuff anymore other than games.
The only real problem I've run into so far is the NTSC/PAL one. My flatscreen (Emerson LC190EM1) insists on NTSC, and chokes on PAL stuff. A scaler that could do the switch runs between US$120-$900 (there's a $20 one that fixes color probs between ntsc and pal, but it does nothing for the refresh rate), and would probably muddy the image a bit.
Not sure if you switch between pal/ntsc, or which you use more often, but you'll want to make sure it has both a pal and ntsc tuner in it if you use both.

Djay · 12 January 2011, 23:25

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Originally Posted by nixxjsteve

Well I will only use it for the amiga, would you still suggest widescreen? (would it be stretched or bordered)

buy a Amiga monitor if you are not going to use it for anything else, 1084s should do

pandy71 · 13 January 2011, 17:23

IMO if You search for something outstanding buy CRT broadcast monitor with HR Trinitron and SVM. http://www.expandore.com/product/sony/Monitor/ maybe not so cheap but highest quality compensate this one - used ones are available around 150$

PVM-20, PVM-14 - those displays redefines quality of CRT!

Photon · 14 January 2011, 01:23

Trinitron TV is a bonus, but flat surface is not necessary. You will get a good picture with basically any old CRT TV, and 16:9 or 4:3 doesn't matter - but only if you 1) find one with RGB SCART (can be tricky), or 2) get a Composite fix-kit (solder a few wires to a chip).

(For example, my CD32 looks great on my 32" 4:3 CRT TV via composite (because it has the built-in Composite-fix).)

TVs have many features, look out for strange 4:3-settings that squeeze or crop strangely. On some TVs, games scroll faster in the middle and slower (more squeezed) at right/left edge. You will be dizzy.

That's always the problem, you almost want to bring your Amiga to the TV to test it first. On the other hand CRT TVs are cheap, so if it has some issue you've not lost so much and can try another.

If you want perfection, get a 4:3 CRT. Beautiful pixels, lots of adjustments for a perfect picture. 1084s is best, according to me.

14" is a bit small, but 17-19" is perfect, in my opinion. (For both CRT and CRT TV.) Much bigger and the pixels will be huge and you will have to turn your head to see enemy ships or read text. Unless it's only for the living room and you sit far away, of course.

Edit: lots of text. Short answer is yes, CRT Widescreen would work, if you're happy with the formats you can set via the TV remote. It's likely "all" Widescreen TVs will have good formats for 4:3. If in doubt, you can test it with anything that outputs 4:3 PAL, doesn't have to be an Amiga.

Parsec · 14 January 2011, 11:12

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Originally Posted by pandy71

IMO if You search for something outstanding buy CRT broadcast monitor with HR Trinitron and SVM. http://www.expandore.com/product/sony/Monitor/ maybe not so cheap but highest quality compensate this one - used ones are available around 150$

PVM-20, PVM-14 - those displays redefines quality of CRT!

The ones at the top of that page look like microwave ovens

CRT is good but be careful to find a good one. I bagged a free Toshiba 4:3 telly recently and it was useless - blurry as hell. Don't buy (or get for free) without seeing it working first.

pandy71 · 14 January 2011, 13:00

All that PVM are only ones, known to me displays that i can read those tiny letters law sentences from adverts... IMO hard to find anything similar, and they look like microwave oven because they are shielded and ready to stack to make bigger groups in TV studios.

If someone work with interlace video material - nothing can be compared to CRT like PVM.

Photon · 14 January 2011, 13:22

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Originally Posted by pandy71

All that PVM are only ones, known to me displays that i can read those tiny letters law sentences from adverts... IMO hard to find anything similar, and they look like microwave oven because they are shielded and ready to stack to make bigger groups in TV studios.

If someone work with interlace video material - nothing can be compared to CRT like PVM.

Hmm, interesting... but as always the problem is finding the specific dream-monitor that works with Amiga. No luck here so far. Hope I find one, wouldn't mind a 20" low-interlace-flicker top notch CRT!

vidarh · 14 January 2011, 14:29

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Originally Posted by nixxjsteve

Well I will only use it for the amiga, would you still suggest widescreen? (would it be stretched or bordered)

I'm using my Minimig on a 42" widescreen LCD TV, and I'd definitively suggest widescreen. Many games just look fine stretched and/or zoomed. Those that don't you can just show in 4:3 (and so get borders left/right), but since most Amiga games have some black bordering anyway, it doesn't look out of place in the cases I've tried.

rkauer · 15 January 2011, 04:06

The CRT TV on my room is 34" (4:3) S-Video and it still crap out the Amiga output, that's why I prefer my my "tiny" 19" widescreen LCD monitor.

pandy71 · 15 January 2011, 12:23

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Originally Posted by rkauer

The CRT TV on my room is 34" (4:3) S-Video and it still crap out the Amiga output, that's why I prefer my my "tiny" 19" widescreen LCD monitor.

Add RGB input!

rkauer · 16 January 2011, 06:43

No RGB on CRT TVs here, mate. No SCART...

Jope · 16 January 2011, 08:21

That's why you have to add it yourself. :-)

pandy71 · 16 January 2011, 19:55

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Originally Posted by rkauer

No RGB on CRT TVs here, mate. No SCART...

No clue about Brazil analog TXT but it can be nice starting point - or Closed Captions or TXT - should be doable...

OK it is PAL-M - but what with VBI data? is there more like USA or more like Western Europe?

rkauer · 18 January 2011, 04:55

Way too much NTSC alike.

12 January 2011, 21:44	#1
nixxjsteve Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Merseyside Posts: 62	Would a crt (Flatscreen) widescreen work? Im looking for a tv just for the amiga, I currently have it hooked up via a scart/rgb to a sony bravia 40" works alright but not exactly perfect. Question is this... is is best to get a 4:3 crt? or does widescreen (crt) look alright? Also there is no problem getting a flat crt right?

14 January 2011, 01:23	#10
Photon Oldskool Demo Coder Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hult / Sweden Age: 41 Posts: 3,680	Trinitron TV is a bonus, but flat surface is not necessary. You will get a good picture with basically any old CRT TV, and 16:9 or 4:3 doesn't matter - but only if you 1) find one with RGB SCART (can be tricky), or 2) get a Composite fix-kit (solder a few wires to a chip). (For example, my CD32 looks great on my 32" 4:3 CRT TV via composite (because it has the built-in Composite-fix).) TVs have many features, look out for strange 4:3-settings that squeeze or crop strangely. On some TVs, games scroll faster in the middle and slower (more squeezed) at right/left edge. You will be dizzy. That's always the problem, you almost want to bring your Amiga to the TV to test it first. On the other hand CRT TVs are cheap, so if it has some issue you've not lost so much and can try another. If you want perfection, get a 4:3 CRT. Beautiful pixels, lots of adjustments for a perfect picture. 1084s is best, according to me. 14" is a bit small, but 17-19" is perfect, in my opinion. (For both CRT and CRT TV.) Much bigger and the pixels will be huge and you will have to turn your head to see enemy ships or read text. Unless it's only for the living room and you sit far away, of course. Edit: lots of text. Short answer is yes, CRT Widescreen would work, if you're happy with the formats you can set via the TV remote. It's likely "all" Widescreen TVs will have good formats for 4:3. If in doubt, you can test it with anything that outputs 4:3 PAL, doesn't have to be an Amiga. __________________ Henrik. Programs Amiga demos, iPhone apps, websites, etc. A1000/512k - A500 2.0/040@28/4M/.5M slowmem/8M/SCSI/CF - A600 portable II 3.1/ACA630/WiFi/CF - 'A1700' 3.1/68060@80/64M/IDE-Fix Express/CF - etc."The difference between PC and Amiga is that 10yo PCs are worth $0. 20yo Amigas are worth a lot, and Amigas that are only 15yo cost a fortune!" If you like Portal 2, try my >> single player and cooperation maps << Last edited by Photon; 14 January 2011 at 11:05.

15 January 2011, 04:06	#15
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 47 Posts: 3,477	The CRT TV on my room is 34" (4:3) S-Video and it still crap out the Amiga output, that's why I prefer my my "tiny" 19" widescreen LCD monitor. __________________ Amigan since 1989 Known drunk since 1982 (don't know quite well, I was drunk) 13 Amigas at home Finally a Z3 one! I'll stick with 'Cachaça do Inter' for this week: Chivas gives headaches! :D

16 January 2011, 06:43	#17
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 47 Posts: 3,477	No RGB on CRT TVs here, mate. No SCART... __________________ Amigan since 1989 Known drunk since 1982 (don't know quite well, I was drunk) 13 Amigas at home Finally a Z3 one! I'll stick with 'Cachaça do Inter' for this week: Chivas gives headaches! :D

16 January 2011, 08:21	#18
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 32 Posts: 4,067	That's why you have to add it yourself. :-) __________________ The X-Copy shrine!

12 January 2011, 21:57	#2
duga Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Uppsala / Sweden Posts: 229	Get a widescreen-TV - but display the Amiga-modes in 4:3-ratio.

12 January 2011, 22:02	#3
nixxjsteve Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Merseyside Posts: 62	Well I will only use it for the amiga, would you still suggest widescreen? (would it be stretched or bordered)

12 January 2011, 22:12	#4
duga Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Uppsala / Sweden Posts: 229	If only Amiga - get a 4:3 CRT. You get them for free - at least in Sweden.

12 January 2011, 22:34	#6
nixxjsteve Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Merseyside Posts: 62	Ah righty very good thanks alot peeps

12 January 2011, 23:10	#7
watertonian 2 1200s in Wisconsin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Wisconsin, USA Age: 35 Posts: 98	I've been using a widescreen for a few months now, and I like it. I'm also using a gfx card with p96, so I can set my workbench and a few apps to use the wider aspect, just have to set it up in picasso96mode. Regular AGA stuff is just "vertically letterboxed", though the super-hi-res modes might look good when stretched, though I don't do much AGA stuff anymore other than games. The only real problem I've run into so far is the NTSC/PAL one. My flatscreen (Emerson LC190EM1) insists on NTSC, and chokes on PAL stuff. A scaler that could do the switch runs between US$120-$900 (there's a $20 one that fixes color probs between ntsc and pal, but it does nothing for the refresh rate), and would probably muddy the image a bit. Not sure if you switch between pal/ntsc, or which you use more often, but you'll want to make sure it has both a pal and ntsc tuner in it if you use both.

13 January 2011, 17:23	#9
pandy71 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: NL/PL Posts: 510	IMO if You search for something outstanding buy CRT broadcast monitor with HR Trinitron and SVM. http://www.expandore.com/product/sony/Monitor/ maybe not so cheap but highest quality compensate this one - used ones are available around 150$ PVM-20, PVM-14 - those displays redefines quality of CRT!

14 January 2011, 13:00	#12
pandy71 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: NL/PL Posts: 510	All that PVM are only ones, known to me displays that i can read those tiny letters law sentences from adverts... IMO hard to find anything similar, and they look like microwave oven because they are shielded and ready to stack to make bigger groups in TV studios. If someone work with interlace video material - nothing can be compared to CRT like PVM.

18 January 2011, 04:55	#20
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 47 Posts: 3,477	Way too much NTSC alike. __________________ Amigan since 1989 Known drunk since 1982 (don't know quite well, I was drunk) 13 Amigas at home Finally a Z3 one! I'll stick with 'Cachaça do Inter' for this week: Chivas gives headaches! :D

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