A2091 Help!

06 July 2002, 07:02

I've been trying to get a 2091 up and running with a 1gig scsi disk. So far I've tried it with 1.3 and 3.1 wb (w/ matching roms). It has two meg of ram and that shows up. Found and tried the drivers a2901hd (1.27 and 1.30). Tried without. Hdtoolbox never shows a drive. Made sure that tooltype had SCSI_DEVICE_NAME=scsi.device.

What am I doing wrong? The drive works on another machine.
Thanks in advance for any tips

08 July 2002, 20:14

I moved the drive over to my 590 and started a low level format (way too easy... using the 2091 install disk no less). I'm going to do an install of 1.3 on it. Since the 590 and 2091 are nearly identical twins (short of the bus) it should boot on the 2091. But I doubt it will... looks like I got a bum 2091. Only the memory works it looks like

brknck · 11 July 2002, 11:54

Check the termination on your A2091 board. If the SCSI drive is not terminated properly then it will not show up in HDToolbox etc.

This is the most common reason that the drive will work in your a590 and not the a2091.

13 July 2002, 20:13

Hello brknck, all terminators are on (both on the board and the drive). Even more of a problem is that using probescsi (the utility) errors out with scsi.device not found in device entries. Seems pretty fubar'ed.

shutter · 14 July 2002, 19:27

hi, what Version of the Eproms are on the 2091? remember u will need the latest Rev 7 Eproms for use with a A4000.

Seting Jumper 2 to AUTO will enable booting from the hd ,kickstart 1.3 and up

have a look with sysinfo if the scsi.device is present in the System.

Newer 68 Pin Harddrives (IBM) have no termination on the Drive ,u can use the only with an ACTIVE 68 to 50 Pin Converter.

cu

15 July 2002, 02:00

Hello Shutter. I'm using it in a 2000HD w/ 3.1. The roms are 6.6 (not a big problem for that combo I think). The drive I'm using is 1gb Seagate. However I've got a 40meg Quantum that's formatted (and loaded) to play with as well. Terminations doesn't seem to be the problem. scsi.device isn't found by hdtoolbox or probescsi.... that's bad.

brknck · 15 July 2002, 12:35

Hi Pete,

I have an A2091 in my A2000HD as well (sorry cant remember the ROM revision) along with Kickstart 3.1 and a A2630 25Mhz 030 Board and everything works fine - not what you want to hear i Know.

Another possible problem could be the Western Digital SCSI Controller chip itself, the early revisions (normally 4 on all a2091's and most a3000's) could be prone to fail and also had a number of bugs in them. Whether this is the problem or not I am not sure and do not know how to tell without getting another scsi controller chip from somewhere and trying it.

Two place that do stock the chips in the USA are:

www.centsible.com and www.softhut.com

Hope this is of some help.

15 July 2002, 15:24

Hello Brknck. I have a 590 w/ a Quantum 40S. I swapped the WD chip in from that (since it's working on scsi). No luck. Both are rev. 4's by the way. I made sure all chips are seated and reseated those I could. The board has been brought up to rev.4 specs (label "REV. 4.0 MODIFIED"). That might not mean much other than the WD chip though there is a wire from the 0k jumper pad to U5 pin10. Thanks for the response.

16 July 2002, 05:47

Some interesting details.... the board shows up as 2 entries in sysinfo:

mem brd mfg
$EA0000 64K ZORROII 3 ASDG
$600000 2048K ZORROII 10 ASDG

Anyone have one to compare with this? Thanks in advance

brknck · 17 July 2002, 08:36

Hi Pete

just fired up my a2000 and its a2091 in sysinfo comes up with the following:

$00E90000 64k Zorro II A2091/A590 Commodore 0

If your board is coming up saying it is from ASDG then you have problems. It should come up saying something similar to whats above except for the $00E90000 which will most likely be different.

The other problem which I completly forgot about is the roms on the board - these could be faulty or just not quite seated properly.

Although since it sounds like you know your way around the innards of the amiga and what you are talking about there is a good chance the card is as you feared dead.

brknck · 17 July 2002, 08:43

Two entries in sysinfo is normal.

The 64k entry should be the SCSI part of the card and the other one since it is 2048k is your 2MB of memory.

You have two entries because the scsi device is configured as an i/o device and the memory is just added to the system memory pool.

Combining the two isnt possible due to os and hardware reasons I think (Dont quote me on it).

17 July 2002, 15:15

Hello Brknck. Thanks for the info! I was bothered by that sysinfo entry. Now that's confirmed. I've tried the roms from the 590 without any difference (v6.1). My guess is address decoding for the roms is bad or maybe there's a break somewhere (bad socket?). I guess it's just memory for now (seems to map ok) and an electronics trouble shooting project long term.

06 July 2002, 07:02	#1
Pete Posts: n/a	A2091 Help! I've been trying to get a 2091 up and running with a 1gig scsi disk. So far I've tried it with 1.3 and 3.1 wb (w/ matching roms). It has two meg of ram and that shows up. Found and tried the drivers a2901hd (1.27 and 1.30). Tried without. Hdtoolbox never shows a drive. Made sure that tooltype had SCSI_DEVICE_NAME=scsi.device. What am I doing wrong? The drive works on another machine. Thanks in advance for any tips

15 July 2002, 02:00	#6
Pete Posts: n/a	Hello Shutter. I'm using it in a 2000HD w/ 3.1. The roms are 6.6 (not a big problem for that combo I think). The drive I'm using is 1gb Seagate. However I've got a 40meg Quantum that's formatted (and loaded) to play with as well. Terminations doesn't seem to be the problem. scsi.device isn't found by hdtoolbox or probescsi.... that's bad. Last edited by Pete; 15 July 2002 at 02:06.

17 July 2002, 08:43	#11
brknck Amiga Tinkerer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Pukekohe/New Zealand Age: 36 Posts: 18	Two entries in sysinfo Two entries in sysinfo is normal. The 64k entry should be the SCSI part of the card and the other one since it is 2048k is your 2MB of memory. You have two entries because the scsi device is configured as an i/o device and the memory is just added to the system memory pool. Combining the two isnt possible due to os and hardware reasons I think (Dont quote me on it).

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08 July 2002, 20:14	#2
Pete Posts: n/a	I moved the drive over to my 590 and started a low level format (way too easy... using the 2091 install disk no less). I'm going to do an install of 1.3 on it. Since the 590 and 2091 are nearly identical twins (short of the bus) it should boot on the 2091. But I doubt it will... looks like I got a bum 2091. Only the memory works it looks like

11 July 2002, 11:54	#3
brknck Amiga Tinkerer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Pukekohe/New Zealand Age: 36 Posts: 18	Check the termination on your A2091 board. If the SCSI drive is not terminated properly then it will not show up in HDToolbox etc. This is the most common reason that the drive will work in your a590 and not the a2091.

13 July 2002, 20:13	#4
Pete Posts: n/a	Hello brknck, all terminators are on (both on the board and the drive). Even more of a problem is that using probescsi (the utility) errors out with scsi.device not found in device entries. Seems pretty fubar'ed.

14 July 2002, 19:27	#5
shutter Zone Friend Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: FR / Germany Age: 37 Posts: 62	hi, what Version of the Eproms are on the 2091? remember u will need the latest Rev 7 Eproms for use with a A4000. Seting Jumper 2 to AUTO will enable booting from the hd ,kickstart 1.3 and up have a look with sysinfo if the scsi.device is present in the System. Newer 68 Pin Harddrives (IBM) have no termination on the Drive ,u can use the only with an ACTIVE 68 to 50 Pin Converter. cu

15 July 2002, 12:35	#7
brknck Amiga Tinkerer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Pukekohe/New Zealand Age: 36 Posts: 18	Hi Pete, I have an A2091 in my A2000HD as well (sorry cant remember the ROM revision) along with Kickstart 3.1 and a A2630 25Mhz 030 Board and everything works fine - not what you want to hear i Know. Another possible problem could be the Western Digital SCSI Controller chip itself, the early revisions (normally 4 on all a2091's and most a3000's) could be prone to fail and also had a number of bugs in them. Whether this is the problem or not I am not sure and do not know how to tell without getting another scsi controller chip from somewhere and trying it. Two place that do stock the chips in the USA are: www.centsible.com and www.softhut.com Hope this is of some help.

15 July 2002, 15:24	#8
Pete Posts: n/a	Hello Brknck. I have a 590 w/ a Quantum 40S. I swapped the WD chip in from that (since it's working on scsi). No luck. Both are rev. 4's by the way. I made sure all chips are seated and reseated those I could. The board has been brought up to rev.4 specs (label "REV. 4.0 MODIFIED"). That might not mean much other than the WD chip though there is a wire from the 0k jumper pad to U5 pin10. Thanks for the response.

16 July 2002, 05:47	#9
Pete Posts: n/a	Some interesting details.... the board shows up as 2 entries in sysinfo: mem brd mfg $EA0000 64K ZORROII 3 ASDG $600000 2048K ZORROII 10 ASDG Anyone have one to compare with this? Thanks in advance

17 July 2002, 08:36	#10
brknck Amiga Tinkerer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Pukekohe/New Zealand Age: 36 Posts: 18	Hi Pete just fired up my a2000 and its a2091 in sysinfo comes up with the following: $00E90000 64k Zorro II A2091/A590 Commodore 0 If your board is coming up saying it is from ASDG then you have problems. It should come up saying something similar to whats above except for the $00E90000 which will most likely be different. The other problem which I completly forgot about is the roms on the board - these could be faulty or just not quite seated properly. Although since it sounds like you know your way around the innards of the amiga and what you are talking about there is a good chance the card is as you feared dead.

17 July 2002, 15:15	#12
Pete Posts: n/a	Hello Brknck. Thanks for the info! I was bothered by that sysinfo entry. Now that's confirmed. I've tried the roms from the 590 without any difference (v6.1). My guess is address decoding for the roms is bad or maybe there's a break somewhere (bad socket?). I guess it's just memory for now (seems to map ok) and an electronics trouble shooting project long term.

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