Squirrel Issues

TheCorfiot · 22 June 2008, 15:57

Hello All,

I've recently picked up a Squirrel PCMCIA SCSI card from my good friend DoogUK,

Got a few issues with it using my A1200 with Classic WB Full 3.1 & a SCSI CDROM ID=6
I should add the A1200 currently has KS3.0 ROMS.

Downloaded & used the squirrel install dms from Amiga Resource.
With the card removed system boots up in usual time from CF and all is fine. With Squirrel inserted & no CD in the drive, The system take ages to Boot & you can hear the CDROM drive being reset. Inserting a CD the A1200 reads the CD fine esp now I've adapted Cachecdfs from OS3.5 in place of the CDFilesystem. Altered Tooltypes in CD0 to reflect squirrel & ID=6
Is this long bootup tiime normal?

Secondly I can't get the CD32 Emulator to run at all even with a CD32 CD in the Drive during Boot / reset. Even making the squirrel bootfloppy.
Does the startup-sequence need modifying or am i missing something else.

Finally does anyone have a MANUAL they could please upload to the zone for me.

Your advice is really appreciated chaps.

TC

Mad-Matt · 22 June 2008, 18:24

Boot time does get halted while the scsi driver scans for drives. I dont remember any specific issues with the cd32 emu. It may be that you need to setup the drives with cd.device instead of squirrelscsi.device, but I would have thaught the boot floppy installer would do that for you ..hmm.

TheCorfiot · 22 June 2008, 19:40

Cheers Matt,

Nice to know the delay is normal,

By adding a 4 Second wait on the boot floppy's CD32-Startup sequence after the device is loaded I can now boot CD32 Games from floppy,
I now change my CD0 file to reflect cd.device rather than squirrelscsi.device, force of habit.

Thx

TC

DoogUK · 22 June 2008, 19:57

Tut tut Bas, i told you to feed it more hazlenuts to get it to do what you want.

TheCorfiot · 22 June 2008, 20:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoogUK

Tut tut Bas, i told you to feed it more hazlenuts to get it to do what you want.

Doogie LOL

It's sorted now.....
Changed CD0 to cd.device, added 4 second delay to CD32-Startup & noticed the installer had inserted the CD32-Startup call after Classic WB Check RMB routine,

Therefore
IF no CD inserted & RMB pressed Boot Classic WB lean startup
IF CD inserted & RMB pressed CD32 emulator Boots the CD.

Wahay

Now does anyone have the Manual please Gents.............

Thanks all

TC

davideo · 22 June 2008, 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCorfiot

Now does anyone have the Manual please Gents.............

Thanks all

TC

I did have until earlier today - sold mine on the bay and it was collected this afternoon

Dave G

TheCorfiot · 22 June 2008, 23:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by davideo

I did have until earlier today - sold mine on the bay and it was collected this afternoon

Dave G

Ah Dave man, why rub it in

Anyone else can Help

TC

davideo · 23 June 2008, 00:12

@TC

This is what it looked like

Dave G

Galaxy · 23 June 2008, 09:44

I'll scan mine later if I have time - might take a few days though...

TheCorfiot · 23 June 2008, 11:01

Galaxy,

That would be very kind & much appreciated.

Thanks

TC

Galaxy · 23 June 2008, 13:23

Ok, it's scanned and compiled as a pdf and available from the Zone.

TheCorfiot · 23 June 2008, 13:41

@Galaxy,

That was really quick!!!

I thank you very much and I'm downloading now..

@Davideo

Nows your chance to read it if you didn't before

TC

Galaxy · 23 June 2008, 13:50

I've had plenty of practice scanning things...

Hope it answers whatever questions you had.

And if the BBoAH or Amiga Hardware Resource guys are reading this and want to grab if for their databases then please do - this sort of information should be kept in a permanently accessible archive.

davideo · 23 June 2008, 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCorfiot

@Davideo

Nows your chance to read it if you didn't before

TC

cosmicfrog · 23 June 2008, 20:32

heres a small tip i found, make your scsi id numbers as low as poss and if you attach more than1 device make them consecutive, haven`t used my Squirrel 4 ages and when i did i never tried 32 emulation as cd`s seemed to work without it, could be wrong as it been long time since, any how hope is all Squirrellly fantasicilly with it

TheCorfiot · 23 June 2008, 23:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmicfrog

heres a small tip i found, make your scsi id numbers as low as poss and if you attach more than1 device make them consecutive, haven`t used my Squirrel 4 ages and when i did i never tried 32 emulation as cd`s seemed to work without it, could be wrong as it been long time since, any how hope is all Squirrellly fantasicilly with it

Cheers for the tip cf, I suppose the logic in low ID number means the device is found quicker, but I think it still scans the bus from 0 through to 6
My CD drive is setup using the cd.device driver with unit=0 which reading the manual kindly supplied by Galaxy is a redirection to squirrelscsi.device but reuired for better CD32 Emulation.

I'm really happy with it the delay at bootup while it's scanning is annoying but with the card removed my Miggy reverts back to her old self. Overall though quite impressed with the performance considering it's PCMCIA.

Yep I like Squirrels, they don't cost much in nuts either.

TC

davideo · 24 June 2008, 00:14

@TC

If I remember right in the start-sequence of my Miggy when the Squirrel was fitted were a few lines to load up the Squirrel devices. These lines scanned for each SCSI id individually.

In other words have you looked in your startup-sequence and removed the scan for the units you're not using?

Could speed up the process slightly

Dave G

twizzle · 24 June 2008, 20:58

the bootup time with a scsi.squirrel attatched is approx 30sec.

(thats if you can catch the little bugger before you put the boot in)

TheCorfiot · 24 June 2008, 21:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by twizzle

the bootup time with a scsi.squirrel attatched is approx 30sec.

(thats if you can catch the little bugger before you put the boot in)

@Twizzle Excellent mate, Just what I was after another time to compare with, It's about 23 Seconds for me.

Thanks very much

@davideo

Cheers for the tip mate

TC

Galaxy · 24 June 2008, 23:15

The pause during boot is normal - this happens with any SCSI controller (including ones attached to PCs) while the attached devices are polled and registered.

22 June 2008, 15:57	#1
TheCorfiot Amibay Senior Staff Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cardiff / Wales Posts: 1,296	Squirrel Issues Hello All, I've recently picked up a Squirrel PCMCIA SCSI card from my good friend DoogUK, Got a few issues with it using my A1200 with Classic WB Full 3.1 & a SCSI CDROM ID=6 I should add the A1200 currently has KS3.0 ROMS. Downloaded & used the squirrel install dms from Amiga Resource. With the card removed system boots up in usual time from CF and all is fine. With Squirrel inserted & no CD in the drive, The system take ages to Boot & you can hear the CDROM drive being reset. Inserting a CD the A1200 reads the CD fine esp now I've adapted Cachecdfs from OS3.5 in place of the CDFilesystem. Altered Tooltypes in CD0 to reflect squirrel & ID=6 Is this long bootup tiime normal? Secondly I can't get the CD32 Emulator to run at all even with a CD32 CD in the Drive during Boot / reset. Even making the squirrel bootfloppy. Does the startup-sequence need modifying or am i missing something else. Finally does anyone have a MANUAL they could please upload to the zone for me. Your advice is really appreciated chaps. TC

22 June 2008, 18:24	#2
Mad-Matt WHAaaaaa!! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 34 Posts: 1,382	Boot time does get halted while the scsi driver scans for drives. I dont remember any specific issues with the cd32 emu. It may be that you need to setup the drives with cd.device instead of squirrelscsi.device, but I would have thaught the boot floppy installer would do that for you ..hmm. __________________ *Amiga A1200T - BPPC 040/25 603/175 96mb Ram - Bvision, CGX v4 RTG. OS3.9 + OS4 dual boot.*

22 June 2008, 19:57	#4
DoogUK Doogster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dorset Posts: 1,069	Tut tut Bas, i told you to feed it more hazlenuts to get it to do what you want. __________________ A1200 PowerTower/Apollo 1260-80mhz/64mb/Voodoo3/SB128/20gb IDE/ClassicWB 3.9 Beta

23 June 2008, 00:12	#8
davideo Amiga Tomcat Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Boston Lincs Posts: 1,028	@TC This is what it looked like Dave G Attached Thumbnails

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22 June 2008, 19:40	#3
TheCorfiot Amibay Senior Staff Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cardiff / Wales Posts: 1,296	Cheers Matt, Nice to know the delay is normal, By adding a 4 Second wait on the boot floppy's CD32-Startup sequence after the device is loaded I can now boot CD32 Games from floppy, I now change my CD0 file to reflect cd.device rather than squirrelscsi.device, force of habit. Thx TC

23 June 2008, 09:44	#9
Galaxy Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 35 Posts: 1,418	I'll scan mine later if I have time - might take a few days though...

23 June 2008, 11:01	#10
TheCorfiot Amibay Senior Staff Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cardiff / Wales Posts: 1,296	Galaxy, That would be very kind & much appreciated. Thanks TC

23 June 2008, 13:23	#11
Galaxy Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 35 Posts: 1,418	Ok, it's scanned and compiled as a pdf and available from the Zone.

23 June 2008, 13:41	#12
TheCorfiot Amibay Senior Staff Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cardiff / Wales Posts: 1,296	@Galaxy, That was really quick!!! I thank you very much and I'm downloading now.. @Davideo Nows your chance to read it if you didn't before TC

23 June 2008, 13:50	#13
Galaxy Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 35 Posts: 1,418	I've had plenty of practice scanning things... Hope it answers whatever questions you had. And if the BBoAH or Amiga Hardware Resource guys are reading this and want to grab if for their databases then please do - this sort of information should be kept in a permanently accessible archive.

23 June 2008, 20:32	#15
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 45 Posts: 3,552	heres a small tip i found, make your scsi id numbers as low as poss and if you attach more than1 device make them consecutive, haven`t used my Squirrel 4 ages and when i did i never tried 32 emulation as cd`s seemed to work without it, could be wrong as it been long time since, any how hope is all Squirrellly fantasicilly with it

24 June 2008, 00:14	#17
davideo Amiga Tomcat Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Boston Lincs Posts: 1,028	@TC If I remember right in the start-sequence of my Miggy when the Squirrel was fitted were a few lines to load up the Squirrel devices. These lines scanned for each SCSI id individually. In other words have you looked in your startup-sequence and removed the scan for the units you're not using? Could speed up the process slightly Dave G

24 June 2008, 20:58	#18
twizzle Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: taunton.som.uk Age: 62 Posts: 674	the bootup time with a scsi.squirrel attatched is approx 30sec. (thats if you can catch the little bugger before you put the boot in)

24 June 2008, 23:15	#20
Galaxy Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 35 Posts: 1,418	The pause during boot is normal - this happens with any SCSI controller (including ones attached to PCs) while the attached devices are polled and registered.

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