20 gb harddrive with workbench 3.1

01 March 2002, 03:19

In a few days I'll be having my 20gb harddrive back from warranty. I want to use it with the new miggy and I might install os3.9 but I'll probably use 3.1 as well. 3.9 comes with "NSDPatch" that allows access to drives and partitions larger than 4gb, at least this is the official description. Lets assume I could partition my drive in os3.9, will I be able to use it with os3.1? What about booting from a disk or no startup? What if I boot from floppy and try to write data to the HD, can my HD be corrupted? Will I be able to access my drive at all? Would anything change if I make five different partitions with 4gb each or just two 10gb ones?

Uh.. I think these questions are enough for now, I just don't know what can happen

RetroMan · 01 March 2002, 03:41

You can format and install your Harddrive with OS 3.9 and use it with 3.1 without problems, cause the filesystem is allready patched then

You may also consider installing SFS as filesystem then you will be able to use your 20GB HD without installing OS 3.9

and btw. SFS is safer and faster then FFS

01 March 2002, 03:50

Thanks for the information. I'm relieved

BTW, I just noticed the 1200 has rom 3.0, not 3.1 yet os 3.9 works well , how can this be possible? I'm also using workbench 3.1, not 3.0 but it seems ok.

RetroMan · 01 March 2002, 03:53

Hmmm, that´s fairly interesting

I got a spare 1200er with Kick 3.0 and yes, I´m able to use 3.1 but it guru´s from time to time but whenever I try to install 3.9 I get busted

No chance there ..... you installed yourself ?? Maybe someone installed OS 3.9 with Kick 3.1 and the changed the Rom ?? Haven´t tested yet, but I will for sure later ....

01 March 2002, 03:58

It was installed by the previous owner. Actualy all is not well, I get memory errors and gurus from time to time. I think he had 3.1 installed and replaced it with 3.0 before selling it to me. I'll mail him and ask.

utri007 · 01 March 2002, 08:11

So you have kick3.0, I quess previous owner has intalled somekind of softkicker, like RemApollo which load kick 3.1 from hard disk.

ptrchiappe · 01 March 2002, 08:34

You can easily tell which is which:

when workbench has finished loading, select "about" from the first menu (or information or the equivalent translation you have) and read the version for kickstart and workbench.
If it reads 39.### then it's 3.0, if it reads 40.### it's 3.1.

Then let us know what you found as i never purchased OS3.9 just because it was said that it needed kick 3.1 and i didn't want to buy a new ROM.

RetroMan · 01 March 2002, 11:05

Quote:

Originally posted by ptrchiappe
Then let us know what you found as i never purchased OS3.9 just because it was said that it needed kick 3.1 and i didn't want to buy a new ROM.

Well you definitely need Kick 3.1 for installing OS 3.9 else you would not be able to install it ! But before buying a new rom you could really try softkicking 3.1 as utri007 said, it works

01 March 2002, 14:10

3.00 ROM kickstart version 39.106

utri007, if I install this RemApollo, will my problems end or do I have to buy a new rom?

01 March 2002, 16:55

I got a reply. He says he was using blizkick with the blizzard accelerator and emulating a 3.1 rom. That's fine if it's as compatible as a real 3.1 rom, but workbench still says there is rom 3.0. I'm confused

RetroMan · 01 March 2002, 19:46

BlizKick is also a Softkicker and available from Aminet (it´s mainly the same as the Apollo thingy, just that the Apollo thingy is for Apollo Turbocards and BlizKick for Blizzard cards

)

Akira · 01 March 2002, 22:30

Two questions

1) from what I read, I coud softkick my A1200 into 3.1 and use and install OS3.9. Is this correct?

2) Is it too painful to install SFS? Id like to try it out.

01 March 2002, 22:51

Quote:

1) from what I read, I coud softkick my A1200 into 3.1 and use and install OS3.9. Is this correct?

I can answer this question for sure when I get my HD back.

RetroMan · 01 March 2002, 22:56

Quote:

Originally posted by Akira
Two questions

1) from what I read, I coud softkick my A1200 into 3.1 and use and install OS3.9. Is this correct?

Sure

No Problem here

Quote:

2) Is it too painful to install SFS? Id like to try it out.

Well, it´s a bit tricky, but not that hard after all, give it a shot, you won´t regret it

tomcat666 · 02 March 2002, 06:49

I tried softkicking my 3.0 A1200 into 3.1 with that rom that is in TOSEC (3.1_A1200) and using SKICK I only get a red flashing screen and nothing else... tried other roms and none worked... what could be wrong ? The skick version DOES have the patch files needed for this rom version... strange.

RetroMan · 02 March 2002, 11:27

Sorry, but all SKick archives I downloaded does NOT have any file relocation tables for 3.1

Could you perhaps upload your SKick version to the zone ?

19 March 2002, 17:57

I finally got my hard drive. Now I'll format it with amiga. But what if I decide to use it on a PC in the future? Can I format it from Win2000 again?

RetroMan · 19 March 2002, 18:03

Quote:

Originally posted by Burseg
Can I format it from Win2000 again?

Sure

Why shouldn´t you ? All HD´s can be reformated by any OS (if it supports the drive of course

)

19 March 2002, 18:07

I'm asking because I couldn't do that with an old Palladium 1.2GB drive. Thanks for the explanation

tomcat666 · 20 March 2002, 07:04

The skick I am using is on AMINET - it has the Kickstart files in the ROOT directory and not with all the others in the other directory... you have to put them there yourself. (just checked) - it might be the reason why it is not skicking it right though.

01 March 2002, 03:19	#1
oldpx Posts: n/a	20 gb harddrive with workbench 3.1 In a few days I'll be having my 20gb harddrive back from warranty. I want to use it with the new miggy and I might install os3.9 but I'll probably use 3.1 as well. 3.9 comes with "NSDPatch" that allows access to drives and partitions larger than 4gb, at least this is the official description. Lets assume I could partition my drive in os3.9, will I be able to use it with os3.1? What about booting from a disk or no startup? What if I boot from floppy and try to write data to the HD, can my HD be corrupted? Will I be able to access my drive at all? Would anything change if I make five different partitions with 4gb each or just two 10gb ones? Uh.. I think these questions are enough for now, I just don't know what can happen

01 March 2002, 03:41	#2
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 40 Posts: 3,704	You can format and install your Harddrive with OS 3.9 and use it with 3.1 without problems, cause the filesystem is allready patched then You may also consider installing SFS as filesystem then you will be able to use your 20GB HD without installing OS 3.9 and btw. SFS is safer and faster then FFS __________________ --~~= RetroMan =~~-- -= AmigA =- -= ForeveR =-

01 March 2002, 03:53	#4
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 40 Posts: 3,704	Hmmm, that´s fairly interesting I got a spare 1200er with Kick 3.0 and yes, I´m able to use 3.1 but it guru´s from time to time but whenever I try to install 3.9 I get busted No chance there ..... you installed yourself ?? Maybe someone installed OS 3.9 with Kick 3.1 and the changed the Rom ?? Haven´t tested yet, but I will for sure later .... __________________ --~~= RetroMan =~~-- -= AmigA =- -= ForeveR =-

01 March 2002, 03:58	#5
oldpx Posts: n/a	It was installed by the previous owner. Actualy all is not well, I get memory errors and gurus from time to time. I think he had 3.1 installed and replaced it with 3.0 before selling it to me. I'll mail him and ask. Last edited by Burseg; 01 March 2002 at 04:34.

01 March 2002, 08:11	#6
utri007 mä vaan Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 309	So you have kick3.0, I quess previous owner has intalled somekind of softkicker, like RemApollo which load kick 3.1 from hard disk. __________________ Ibe U

01 March 2002, 03:50	#3
oldpx Posts: n/a	Thanks for the information. I'm relieved BTW, I just noticed the 1200 has rom 3.0, not 3.1 yet os 3.9 works well , how can this be possible? I'm also using workbench 3.1, not 3.0 but it seems ok.

01 March 2002, 08:34	#7
ptrchiappe Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cagliari / Italy Age: 50 Posts: 186	You can easily tell which is which: when workbench has finished loading, select "about" from the first menu (or information or the equivalent translation you have) and read the version for kickstart and workbench. If it reads 39.### then it's 3.0, if it reads 40.### it's 3.1. Then let us know what you found as i never purchased OS3.9 just because it was said that it needed kick 3.1 and i didn't want to buy a new ROM.

01 March 2002, 14:10	#9
oldpx Posts: n/a	3.00 ROM kickstart version 39.106 utri007, if I install this RemApollo, will my problems end or do I have to buy a new rom?

01 March 2002, 16:55	#10
oldpx Posts: n/a	I got a reply. He says he was using blizkick with the blizzard accelerator and emulating a 3.1 rom. That's fine if it's as compatible as a real 3.1 rom, but workbench still says there is rom 3.0. I'm confused

01 March 2002, 19:46	#11
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 40 Posts: 3,704	BlizKick is also a Softkicker and available from Aminet (it´s mainly the same as the Apollo thingy, just that the Apollo thingy is for Apollo Turbocards and BlizKick for Blizzard cards ) __________________ --~~= RetroMan =~~-- -= AmigA =- -= ForeveR =-

01 March 2002, 22:30	#12
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,593	Two questions 1) from what I read, I coud softkick my A1200 into 3.1 and use and install OS3.9. Is this correct? 2) Is it too painful to install SFS? Id like to try it out.

02 March 2002, 06:49	#15
tomcat666 Retro Freak Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Slovenia Age: 40 Posts: 849	I tried softkicking my 3.0 A1200 into 3.1 with that rom that is in TOSEC (3.1_A1200) and using SKICK I only get a red flashing screen and nothing else... tried other roms and none worked... what could be wrong ? The skick version DOES have the patch files needed for this rom version... strange. __________________ Best regards, Tom-Cat

02 March 2002, 11:27	#16
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 40 Posts: 3,704	Sorry, but all SKick archives I downloaded does NOT have any file relocation tables for 3.1 Could you perhaps upload your SKick version to the zone ? __________________ --~~= RetroMan =~~-- -= AmigA =- -= ForeveR =-

19 March 2002, 17:57	#17
oldpx Posts: n/a	I finally got my hard drive. Now I'll format it with amiga. But what if I decide to use it on a PC in the future? Can I format it from Win2000 again?

19 March 2002, 18:07	#19
oldpx Posts: n/a	I'm asking because I couldn't do that with an old Palladium 1.2GB drive. Thanks for the explanation

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20 March 2002, 07:04	#20
tomcat666 Retro Freak Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Slovenia Age: 40 Posts: 849	The skick I am using is on AMINET - it has the Kickstart files in the ROOT directory and not with all the others in the other directory... you have to put them there yourself. (just checked) - it might be the reason why it is not skicking it right though.

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