KICKFLASH OS4 clockport pin1 , where???

keropi · 27 June 2006, 11:00

following the x-surf2 troubles, where is pin1 of the clockport on KickflashOS4????
lol, what a mess!

Jope · 27 June 2006, 12:13

Well, you probably want to get a 100% answer before plugging anything in..

But if you look at the card when it's plugged in to a zorro slot, how many clock port expansions can you fit if you plug them in so that they point towards the zorro slot?

keropi · 27 June 2006, 12:49

oh yeah? :P
then tell me how to plug the subway! I don't have any other clockport expansions...

Hacky · 27 June 2006, 13:00

Yesterday Jens Schönfeld (the developer) wrote at Amiga-news.de that there is NO Pin 1 on any Clockport. It starts from pin 19.
And attention Z4 boards have a wrong labeling at the Z4 clock ports which have killed already some clockport devices...

http://www.amiga-news.de/forum/threa...3102&BoardID=1

keropi · 27 June 2006, 13:18

so, what is pin 19???? why not mark it for gods shake...

Jope · 27 June 2006, 13:41

There actually is a pin 1 too, but it's not present on many A1200s.. :-) Only the last half of the pin grid is used.

keropi · 27 June 2006, 14:08

still we don't know where is the key-pin

Hacky · 27 June 2006, 15:11

Maybe that helps:

installation
Plug the card with the component side up in an empty Zorro-slot of an
A3000/A4000. In the A2000 the component side must face to the diskdrives.
clockport
This port lets you connect vaious expansions that have originally been designed
for the Amiga 1200.. This connector has evolved into a standard that individual
Computers has supported on many other Zorro cards. Adapted drivers for
products like Silversurfer, VarIO and Delfina will follow shortly. Please mind that
the orientation of the port is geared toward expansions by individual Computers,
because other modules might not fir mechanically, or only fit the wrong way
round. The Silversurfer for example only fits the right way round, but other
expansions will not fit correctly. If you start the computer with such an improperly
installed clockport module on Kickflash, the module and Kickflash might be
damaged. This is the case with all clockport expansions by RBM, and for example
the Melody1200. Please check back with the vendor of the clockport module to
find out if it can work on Kickflash. Damages caused by wrong installation are of
course not covered by the warranty. Should you have any doubts, either ask your
reseller or send a message to our support through our contact form on the
website www.ami.ga.
We recommend to keep the clockport free, because we’ll deliver the expansion
module for up to 1GB flash memory shortly.
....

http://siliconsonic.de/t/kickflash_e.pdf

keropi · 27 June 2006, 16:34

yeah, I know the pdf, still says nothing.... the subway has a ribbon cable that goes to clockport, it can be connected in 4 different ways...

a_petri · 27 June 2006, 21:08

A quite fireproof check can be done if you have a multimeter/ohmmeter.

According to the clockport pinout description (e.g. http://www.ianstedman.co.uk/haynie/a..._port-V1_3.txt ), pins 19 and 39 (at the opposite ends of the same row) are both connected to GND, while pins 20 and 40 are connected to VCC (+5V) and /RESET, respectively.

So if you check the two extreme pins of both rows on the Kickflash OS4 with an ohmmeter, you will find that they are directly connected - that is, short-circuited - in one row and isolated in the other row.
It is also true on any clockport device as well. Therefore it must be cabled so that the short-circuited extreme pins on the clockport header must be connected to the respective short-circuited extreme pins on the device.

keropi · 27 June 2006, 22:30

I have send this e-mail to the kickflash designer at http://ami.ga ...

Quote:

Hello! I want to connect a subway usb to the kickflash clockport, but I cannot see what of the 4 outer pins is the key-pin/pin#1/pin#19 ...

Is it A, B, C, or D??? this is a clockport

A .../... B
C .../... D

|||||||| Zorro connector |||||||||

Thank you, and best regards,
Leo Dallas

LOL

let's see...

keropi · 29 June 2006, 15:24

Here is what the HELPFULL and GREAT guy Michael Boehmer (E3B) has written to me... Still waiting for Individual Computers...

Quote:

Michael.Boehmer@ph.tum.de to me
More options 9:12 am (7 hours ago)

Hi Leo,

> The subway rocks, but I was wondering if you know what is correct
> orientation for installing it on a kickflash to get faster speed...

If you have a multimeter (for measuring resistors) you can check on your
own. Take the KickFlash out of the computer, connect the SUBWAY to it and
check if Ground (take Zorro pins for that) is connected with the GND pins
of the SUBWAY (use USB connectors GND for checking).

Another check: AFAIK there is a small capacitor on the KickFlash next to
the clockport:

ooooooooooo CC
ooooooooooo CC

This means pin 1 of clockport should be right side next to the capacitor.

Better wait for Jens reply, and double check with multimeter.

Best regards, Michael

unfortunately, I don't have a multimeter or the experience to do that... anyone else?

keropi · 30 June 2006, 11:00

Jens Schönfeld is way too cool... he send me a schematic of the KickFlash clockport!

there it is...

Jope · 30 June 2006, 11:54

Very handy.

alexh · 30 June 2006, 12:15

Shame he didnt silk screen it on.

Chain · 30 June 2006, 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by keropi

Jens Schönfeld is way too cool... he send me a schematic of the KickFlash clockport!

there it is...

But where is pin 1?

keropi · 30 June 2006, 17:58

on the right side...

Zetr0 · 02 July 2006, 19:11

lol, he wouldn`t know what the clock port pin config of the Xsurf 2 ?

keropi · 04 July 2006, 19:02

and here is the schematic of the SUBWAY clockport... thanks to Michael Boehmer the E3B guy!

27 June 2006, 12:49	#3
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	oh yeah? :P then tell me how to plug the subway! I don't have any other clockport expansions... __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

27 June 2006, 13:00	#4
Hacky Zone Friend Join Date: May 2006 Location: Berlin Age: 42 Posts: 83	Yesterday Jens Schönfeld (the developer) wrote at Amiga-news.de that there is NO Pin 1 on any Clockport. It starts from pin 19. And attention Z4 boards have a wrong labeling at the Z4 clock ports which have killed already some clockport devices... http://www.amiga-news.de/forum/threa...3102&BoardID=1 __________________ VC20,C64,SX64,CD32+SX1,A600, A1000,A1200 68030/192MB,compact flash@SCSI, Indivison AGA A4000 Tower (original) Cyberstorm 233/060,Soundcard,LAN...Multiboot: OS39 Cybervision/CybergraphX + OS39 Picasso 96/Voodoo,Mediator + OS4

27 June 2006, 13:18	#5
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	so, what is pin 19???? why not mark it for gods shake... __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

27 June 2006, 14:08	#7
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	still we don't know where is the key-pin __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

27 June 2006, 15:11	#8
Hacky Zone Friend Join Date: May 2006 Location: Berlin Age: 42 Posts: 83	Maybe that helps: installation Plug the card with the component side up in an empty Zorro-slot of an A3000/A4000. In the A2000 the component side must face to the diskdrives. clockport This port lets you connect vaious expansions that have originally been designed for the Amiga 1200.. This connector has evolved into a standard that individual Computers has supported on many other Zorro cards. Adapted drivers for products like Silversurfer, VarIO and Delfina will follow shortly. Please mind that the orientation of the port is geared toward expansions by individual Computers, because other modules might not fir mechanically, or only fit the wrong way round. The Silversurfer for example only fits the right way round, but other expansions will not fit correctly. If you start the computer with such an improperly installed clockport module on Kickflash, the module and Kickflash might be damaged. This is the case with all clockport expansions by RBM, and for example the Melody1200. Please check back with the vendor of the clockport module to find out if it can work on Kickflash. Damages caused by wrong installation are of course not covered by the warranty. Should you have any doubts, either ask your reseller or send a message to our support through our contact form on the website www.ami.ga. We recommend to keep the clockport free, because we’ll deliver the expansion module for up to 1GB flash memory shortly. .... http://siliconsonic.de/t/kickflash_e.pdf __________________ VC20,C64,SX64,CD32+SX1,A600, A1000,A1200 68030/192MB,compact flash@SCSI, Indivison AGA A4000 Tower (original) Cyberstorm 233/060,Soundcard,LAN...Multiboot: OS39 Cybervision/CybergraphX + OS39 Picasso 96/Voodoo,Mediator + OS4

27 June 2006, 11:00	#1
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	KICKFLASH OS4 clockport pin1 , where??? following the x-surf2 troubles, where is pin1 of the clockport on KickflashOS4???? lol, what a mess! __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

27 June 2006, 12:13	#2
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 32 Posts: 4,067	Well, you probably want to get a 100% answer before plugging anything in.. But if you look at the card when it's plugged in to a zorro slot, how many clock port expansions can you fit if you plug them in so that they point towards the zorro slot?

27 June 2006, 13:41	#6
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 32 Posts: 4,067	There actually is a pin 1 too, but it's not present on many A1200s.. :-) Only the last half of the pin grid is used.

27 June 2006, 16:34	#9
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	yeah, I know the pdf, still says nothing.... the subway has a ribbon cable that goes to clockport, it can be connected in 4 different ways... __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

27 June 2006, 21:08	#10
a_petri Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Budapest / Hungary Posts: 72	A quite fireproof check can be done if you have a multimeter/ohmmeter. According to the clockport pinout description (e.g. http://www.ianstedman.co.uk/haynie/a..._port-V1_3.txt ), pins 19 and 39 (at the opposite ends of the same row) are both connected to GND, while pins 20 and 40 are connected to VCC (+5V) and /RESET, respectively. So if you check the two extreme pins of both rows on the Kickflash OS4 with an ohmmeter, you will find that they are directly connected - that is, short-circuited - in one row and isolated in the other row. It is also true on any clockport device as well. Therefore it must be cabled so that the short-circuited extreme pins on the clockport header must be connected to the respective short-circuited extreme pins on the device.

30 June 2006, 11:00	#13
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	Jens Schönfeld is way too cool... he send me a schematic of the KickFlash clockport! there it is... Attached Thumbnails __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

30 June 2006, 11:54	#14
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 32 Posts: 4,067	Very handy.

30 June 2006, 12:15	#15
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 10,551	Shame he didnt silk screen it on. __________________ Thalion Webshrine

30 June 2006, 17:58	#17
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	on the right side... __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

02 July 2006, 19:11	#18
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	lol, he wouldn`t know what the clock port pin config of the Xsurf 2 ?

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keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	and here is the schematic of the SUBWAY clockport... thanks to Michael Boehmer the E3B guy! Attached Thumbnails __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

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