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Old 31 May 2003, 04:18   #21
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Exactly! T'aint nothing but a corporate business deal these days. And yes, if one is to create a modern game, it could never be done from the bedroom. But why on earth would we want to hang on to the modern game model? It's a dog chasing its tail. Like with music, the industry dictates the public's tastes and if it only feeds one type of food to the hungry lions, then the lions will develop a taste for just that.

To once again parallel this all with music (since the entertainment industry absolutely borrows from each faction), are we supposed to believe that the kids all decide to start listening to the same type of grunge music all in perfect sync with each other. Or this modern rock style (which the industry has yet to even give a catchy name) - are we supposed to believe that music fans all at once decide that this is the music they want to hear? Coincidently at the exact same time that all the major labels have signed a bottomless pit of artists that make the exact same type of music? Sorry, I don't believe in fairy tales.

MTV has a lot of control here. They buried grunge and hair bands rock by dropping all videos of this type and replacing them with gangsta rap. So what happened? All at once, the world goes crazy for gangsta rap. This came right after a big corporate change at that network. They knew they dictated the public's taste by hand-picking what they offer to those viewers. And it has been the case for most of MTV's lifespan. So naturally the games industry played the same card with astonishing success. And both genres have been ruined and stripped completely of the human element. I know it all sounds a bit Orwellian, but it's pretty obvious to even the most cynical objector.

The upside is that the good stuff that sneaks in for the minority gamer (or music fan) doesn't suffer from over-exposure and over-hype. Music survives better since you don't need to upgrade your CD player every six months and it won't play CD's sluggishly or require an old CD player to listen to The Ramones.


And I will wrap this up with a quote from Robert Frost:

"No tears for the writer, no tears for the reader."
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Old 31 May 2003, 05:55   #22
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Exactly! T'aint nothing but a corporate business deal these days. And yes, if one is to create a modern game, it could never be done from the bedroom. But why on earth would we want to hang on to the modern game model? It's a dog chasing its tail. Like with music, the industry dictates the public's tastes and if it only feeds one type of food to the hungry lions, then the lions will develop a taste for just that.

To once again parallel this all with music (since the entertainment industry absolutely borrows from each faction), are we supposed to believe that the kids all decide to start listening to the same type of grunge music all in perfect sync with each other. Or this modern rock style (which the industry has yet to even give a catchy name) - are we supposed to believe that music fans all at once decide that this is the music they want to hear? Coincidently at the exact same time that all the major labels have signed a bottomless pit of artists that make the exact same type of music? Sorry, I don't believe in fairy tales.

MTV has a lot of control here. They buried grunge and hair bands rock by dropping all videos of this type and replacing them with gangsta rap. So what happened? All at once, the world goes crazy for gangsta rap. This came right after a big corporate change at that network. They knew they dictated the public's taste by hand-picking what they offer to those viewers. And it has been the case for most of MTV's lifespan. So naturally the games industry played the same card with astonishing success. And both genres have been ruined and stripped completely of the human element. I know it all sounds a bit Orwellian, but it's pretty obvious to even the most cynical objector.

The upside is that the good stuff that sneaks in for the minority gamer (or music fan) doesn't suffer from over-exposure and over-hype. Music survives better since you don't need to upgrade your CD player every six months and it won't play CD's sluggishly or require an old CD player to listen to The Ramones.


And I will wrap this up with a quote from Robert Frost:

"No tears for the writer, no tears for the reader."
MTV went to rap and most people my age tuned into VH1 instead. If you remember hair bands ruled in the 80's untill early 91 when nirvana followed by the other grunge bands took over (smells like teen spirit caused a music revolution on that channel). It took quite a while for gansta rap to take over the grunge music on MTV and hair bands was burried way before rap took over. MTV had turned into the boy band + teen girls channel in the last few years. Its always changing.
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MTV went to rap and most people my age tuned into VH1 instead. If you remember hair bands ruled in the 80's untill early 91 when nirvana followed by the other grunge bands took over (smells like teen spirit caused a music revolution on that channel). It took quite a while for gansta rap to take over the grunge music on MTV and hair bands was burried way before rap took over. MTV had turned into the boy band + teen girls channel in the last few years. Its always changing.
Actually, except for the fact that I intentionally left out the boyband era (because it's always there in one form or another), that's what I said, only paraphrased. MTV had been "integrating" R&B ever since they were accused of "racism" for only playing Michael Jackson and Prince in the early days. Of course those critics also failed to mention Bob Marley, Eddy Grant, Fine Young Cannibals, and plenty of other artists of color. The fact was that MTV was a rock station and when blacks played rock, MTV played them. The race card was inevitable, as was their politically correct response. Then they hire a focus group to convince the public that the change in direction was dictated by the viewers and not politicians and lobbyists. I know how it all works at Viacom.

Now, it seems they are just gangsta rap, R&B, bad pop - all in the tiny little section they have left for music, since they seem to prefer buffoonery and back-to-back celebrations of how low American youth can sink into the bowels of "15 Minutes of Fame".

Regardless of any of this history lesson, MTV still dictates the way its viewers think.

The modern video game industry seems to know a thing or two about plagarism (after all, their choice of game genres is hardly what I would call "diverse") and what better model than the music industry, which is so rich from its one-dimensional groin-squeeze on the lowest common denominator. Reminds me of the scene in Pink Floyd The Wall where the youth are all falling into the meatgrinder like the lemmings they have become. If only modern youth had enough independence to "bring down the wall" rather than celebrate its mediocrity...
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Every generation has the kids who follow the trends no matter how stupid and those who do their on thing. MTV might play to the easily amused masses, but I dont think everybody follows it relgiuosly.

There are kids who love any FPS that comes out while others like maybe a few but play other types of games.

As stated before, when the games get to be too much crap people will start doing something different and the market will have problems like atari did in the 80's. While the market feeds off of lemmings, there is a limit to what is acceptable even for a lemming.
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As stated before, when the games get to be too much crap people will start doing something different and the market will have problems like atari did in the 80's. While the market feeds off of lemmings, there is a limit to what is acceptable even for a lemming.
I would have thought that before the FPS boom, but there seems to be an endless appetite for game patches, sameness, keeping up with the Joneses, and submissive corporate dictatorialism. Never before in (gaming) history has mediocrity been such a manufactured effort. This lame trend has far outlasted music trends (except rap music, which it closely parallels anyhow).

This is what happens when the general public crashes our party. This and Windows. (sigh)
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