Quake 3 on Classic - Page 7

starship · 15 December 2017, 17:29

Hi
Is game only gl or software mode compatiple for other graphic cards?

Wrangler · 15 December 2017, 17:52

@Hedeon: Yes.

DisL2Cache = 1 -> all works fine
DisL2Cache = 0 -> storage access exception

This is in Q3. All other progs I've tried are fine with DisL2Cache =0

Wrangler · 15 December 2017, 20:38

Just for a laugh I copied Q3 over to a 330MHz BPPC system with Voodoo 3. It works about half the time (the other half throw WarpOS exceptions) but only runs at about 5 fps tops! Pretty close to getting the beers in between frames, Cowcat!

PS this system has 192Mb in it which is the absolute min. Less than 20 megs free when it's running.

BULI · 16 December 2017, 00:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack-3d

Guys can you please paste here optimal settings for the q3config or even entire config content?

My config.

grelbfarlk · 16 December 2017, 01:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrangler

Just for a laugh I copied Q3 over to a 330MHz BPPC system with Voodoo 3. It works about half the time (the other half throw WarpOS exceptions) but only runs at about 5 fps tops! Pretty close to getting the beers in between frames, Cowcat!

PS this system has 192Mb in it which is the absolute min. Less than 20 megs free when it's running.

Can't the BPPC support 256MB? OTOH 192MB should be enough if it's all on the BPPC. Maybe the low bandwidth between the Voodoo 3 and the BPPC is to blame?

jack-3d · 16 December 2017, 08:30

I think 603e is the problem, it is quite weak comparing to 604e and G3. Anyway I will test the game on BPPC with Voodoo4 as well.

BULI · 16 December 2017, 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack-3d

I think 603e is the problem, it is quite weak comparing to 604e and G3. Anyway I will test the game on BPPC with Voodoo4 as well.

Some time ago, I tested Quake3 on my BPPC 330mhz with G-Rex and Voodoo3, and I had in demo four:
1. on MOS PuP 1.45-> 7.2 FPS
2. on AOS 4,1-> 4.5 FPS

grelbfarlk · 16 December 2017, 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by BULI

Some time ago, I tested Quake3 on my BPPC 330mhz with G-Rex and Voodoo3, and I had in demo four:
1. on MOS PuP 1.45-> 7.2 FPS
2. on AOS 4,1-> 4.5 FPS

Well in that case it's not low CPU to PCI bandwidth to blame. New idea, upgrade those 603e to 740.

jack-3d · 16 December 2017, 22:13

BTW how about replacing G3 on Sonnet by the best available chips?

grelbfarlk · 16 December 2017, 23:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack-3d

BTW how about replacing G3 on Sonnet by the best available chips?

Yeah... I encourage someone to try this. Hese or Stachu I think would by happy to give it a shot. I failed miserably mainly due to improper equipment. I think if it was properly soldered it would have worked.

Also while Cowcat's compiler is still hot, he could turn on Altivec which in theory Hedeon added library support for.

jack-3d · 17 December 2017, 01:42

If you tell me what CPU should I look for (type, model, pins, socket) I know few people who can professionally change it.

Cowcat · 17 December 2017, 12:58

Quote:

upgrade those 603e to 740

740 is pin compatible with 603ev and uses little less voltage. Could be feasible however don' t know if the firmware could have an issue with that.

grelbfarlk · 17 December 2017, 14:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack-3d

If you tell me what CPU should I look for (type, model, pins, socket) I know few people who can professionally change it.

I don't want to say it will most definitely work without any additional changes, I know of at least one signal difference on G4 boards which we would assume needed to be flipped. What I'm saying is that I wouldn't recommend it unless someone doing the procedure was able and willing to do some additional troubleshooting in event of problems. I have a good piece of doc that shows the signal differences between 750, 7400 and 7410 if someone is interested in looking at it.

Wrangler · 17 December 2017, 15:29

If it were as simple as dropping in a 740 in place of a 603e on BPPC card, wouldn't Phase 5 have done that?

Cowcat · 17 December 2017, 18:37

Maybe those weren't available in that moment.

New one. If it works it's way way better than Star Wars 8.

BULI · 17 December 2017, 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cowcat

Maybe those weren't available in that moment.

New one. If it works it's way way better than Star Wars 8.

My fast test- alpha7 working OK :-)

trixster · 17 December 2017, 22:34

What are the changes with alpha7?

Hedeon · 17 December 2017, 23:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrangler

If it were as simple as dropping in a 740 in place of a 603e on BPPC card, wouldn't Phase 5 have done that?

dunno. But it has been discussed before.

http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/...p/t-36219.html

Cowcat · 18 December 2017, 09:44

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What are the changes with alpha7?

-Basically fixes from newer ioquake3 source(s): Structures with unused code, duplicated or obsolete functions, etc, etc.

Changed a little bit some stuff here & there: For example, when parts are wrote as inlined functions, vbcc doesn't do that normally but in higher optimization levels. As a result lots of static functions are kept in every object file at the time of final link, even if they aren't needed by the object files.

Hedeon · 18 December 2017, 11:43

Not sure if this has been answered, but I think Q3 is without software renderer so cannot be played on a Radeon card with OS3.

Quote:

Originally Posted by starship

Hi
Is game only gl or software mode compatiple for other graphic cards?

15 December 2017, 20:38	#123
Wrangler Registered User Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: London, UK Posts: 414	Just for a laugh I copied Q3 over to a 330MHz BPPC system with Voodoo 3. It works about half the time (the other half throw WarpOS exceptions) but only runs at about 5 fps tops! Pretty close to getting the beers in between frames, Cowcat! PS this system has 192Mb in it which is the absolute min. Less than 20 megs free when it's running. Last edited by Wrangler; 15 December 2017 at 20:39. Reason: Added memory comment

17 December 2017, 18:37	#135
Cowcat Registered User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Mallorca Posts: 758	Maybe those weren't available in that moment. New one. If it works it's way way better than Star Wars 8. Last edited by Cowcat; 03 September 2018 at 14:04.

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15 December 2017, 17:29	#121
starship Registered User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: turkiye Posts: 213	Hi Is game only gl or software mode compatiple for other graphic cards?

15 December 2017, 17:52	#122
Wrangler Registered User Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: London, UK Posts: 414	@Hedeon: Yes. DisL2Cache = 1 -> all works fine DisL2Cache = 0 -> storage access exception This is in Q3. All other progs I've tried are fine with DisL2Cache =0

16 December 2017, 08:30	#126
jack-3d kLiker Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Brno / Czech Republic Posts: 371	I think 603e is the problem, it is quite weak comparing to 604e and G3. Anyway I will test the game on BPPC with Voodoo4 as well.

16 December 2017, 22:13	#129
jack-3d kLiker Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Brno / Czech Republic Posts: 371	BTW how about replacing G3 on Sonnet by the best available chips?

17 December 2017, 01:42	#131
jack-3d kLiker Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Brno / Czech Republic Posts: 371	If you tell me what CPU should I look for (type, model, pins, socket) I know few people who can professionally change it.

17 December 2017, 15:29	#134
Wrangler Registered User Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: London, UK Posts: 414	If it were as simple as dropping in a 740 in place of a 603e on BPPC card, wouldn't Phase 5 have done that?

17 December 2017, 22:34	#137
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,341	What are the changes with alpha7?

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