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Old 04 February 2017, 10:58   #1
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Keeping Workbench directories in Windows folders

I hear this is a HUGE no-no in the Amiga community, because Windows will mess up the file attributes, etc., but why is this a bad thing? Besides, I had no choice, as my Workbench files came from Amiga Forever 2012, on a UDF DVD with the Workbench files right there, so I could only copy them to Windows.

Is that a problem with emulation?
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Old 04 February 2017, 11:14   #2
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I hear this is a HUGE no-no in the Amiga community, because Windows will mess up the file attributes

Is that a problem with emulation?
I know that Windows does not mess up the attributes, Apparently not support single attribute "A" (Archive)
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Old 04 February 2017, 11:18   #3
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I know that Windows does not mess up the attributes, Apparently not support single attribute "A" (Archive)
All the Workbench files in my folders have the Archive attribute set. I just like it that way.
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I thought "archive" was one of the attributes supported by both Windows and AmigaDOS. Wouldn't you rather lose the script, pure and deletable bits?
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Wouldn't you rather lose the script, pure and deletable bits?
I think I did. What are they meant to do, exactly? "Deletable" sounds like it would conflict with "Read-Only" - WTH?
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Old 04 February 2017, 14:16   #6
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All flags and comments are always kept if located in NTFS partition.
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Old 04 February 2017, 15:03   #7
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All flags and comments are always kept if located in NTFS partition.
What about UDF? My Workbench files originated from Amiga Forever 2012, from folders on a DVD, and I'm guessing that was using the UDF system. Would that have preserved the flags and comments?
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From what I know, single Filesystem CD to support AMiGA OS flags is "Rock Ridge" (extension to the ISO 9660), DVD Data UDF/ISO no support AMiGA OS flags, i enclose screenshot exhaustive.

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Yeah, only rock ridge can store all Amiga protection flags and comment.
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From what I know, single Filesystem CD to support AMiGA OS flags is "Rock Ridge" (extension to the ISO 9660), DVD Data UDF/ISO no support AMiGA OS flags, i enclose screenshot exhaustive.
Does it matter if this flag information is lost?
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Usually it won't cause any problems. Most programs use standard flags and no comments.
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Usually it won't cause any problems. Most programs use standard flags and no comments.
I hope not, anyway.

I posted this thread on the "New to emulation or Amiga scene" board, but I figured I might get an answer here: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=85816

I don't think the colour wheel is meant to look like that - could that be down to some kind of internal WB or emulator error?
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All flags and comments are always kept if located in NTFS partition.
If they're written from UAE, but not if they come off a CD, right?
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I think I did. What are they meant to do, exactly? "Deletable" sounds like it would conflict with "Read-Only" - WTH?
Deletable doesn't conflict with read-only. Delete and write are different things, and sometimes it really makes sense to keep things writable but not deletable, so you may for example sloppily do a "Delete ALL" in RAM: while still keeping your ENV and T intact.

Script bit signifies that a file is a script (DOS or ARexx) and can be called by filename without "Execute" or "RX".

Pure bit is just strange, but I think it's used to signal that a file can be made Resident.

Oh, and Toni mentioned file comments. File comments are splendid.
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Old 05 February 2017, 11:29   #15
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Just checked my WB files in Windows, the old version before I put them into HDFs yesterday - it seems all the file attributes are set to Archive only. Haven't checked the WB side.

Can someone please answer me about the colour wheel in Post #12, it's driving me up the wall! Is it a faulty version of WB or a simple colour register change?
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If they're written from UAE, but not if they come off a CD, right?
What do you mean? Reading outside of emulation or real Amiga?

AFAIK Amiga rock ridge CDs can be only read properly under Amiga (without losing flags and comments). WinUAE also supports it automatically in CDFS mount mode.
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If you don't use UAE to copy files off the CD, you've already lost any Amiga-specific file attributes before even starting UAE, that's what I'm trying to say.
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