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Old 10 December 2015, 00:30   #1
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And now have 64-bit computers for <$20...

Raspberry Pi is getting some competition..

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...d-super-comput

Right now the kickstarter has $100k more than they asked for. If only they used that cash to buy the OS3x license and let the porting begin ;-)
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Old 10 December 2015, 08:03   #2
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Old 10 December 2015, 10:38   #3
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The thing is, this is nothing groundbreaking - they're just making a Pi clone, slapping on a Chinese SoC (which can be bought for $1) and calling it a day.
Even the Pi Foundation could do the same, but they focus on quality products using respectable manufacturers (Broadcom) instead of just going for specs by buying dirt-cheap stuff nobody would ever trust in production environments.

Also, what makes the Pi truly exceptional is the community and support behind it.
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Old 10 December 2015, 11:14   #4
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Great specs and price! Will keep on eye on this for sure.
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Old 10 December 2015, 19:25   #5
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THere's this Intel Atom based, Raspberry Pi form factor machine I am really interested in:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ry-pi2-form-fa
Meaning you can run years and years of Windows apps on it. Really interested in this one.
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Old 10 December 2015, 20:34   #6
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Lol, just saw Pine A64 KS and article about it... it does look very interesting and promising, at fraction of cost of RPi2.

Will probably support this one... atm they are at close to 10X what they asked for.
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Old 11 December 2015, 11:47   #7
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THere's this Intel Atom based, Raspberry Pi form factor machine I am really interested in:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ry-pi2-form-fa
Meaning you can run years and years of Windows apps on it. Really interested in this one.
Now that's interesting - especially since you can also run Linux on it

I'll definitely buy one if they ever come out and will cost around ~100EURs.
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Old 11 December 2015, 16:26   #8
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It looks good but I'd be a bit more interested if it wasn't allwinner and was hdmi 2.0. A number of ppl have already turned their noses up to it on the Kodi forum, and a board like this lives and dies by the support it receives.
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Old 11 December 2015, 17:41   #9
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Now that's interesting - especially since you can also run Linux on it

I'll definitely buy one if they ever come out and will cost around ~100EURs.
I Was really into it but couldn't afford the kickstarter price at the moment, which was about $80.
Even at $120 I'd get it, it'd be awesome to replace my RPi media center becasue the speed will definitely make a difference. although my RPi runs OK with Kodi, sometimes it just chokes, and database search operations take forever (I have a gigantic library of music).
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Old 11 December 2015, 20:27   #10
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ASRock D1800M - 50E, ASRock QC5000M - 60E, Sapphire Pure White Fusion E350 - 60E and many many more... even adding memory and some other components still we can have better and more open HW (main problem of many ARM based SoC is a closed graphics driver usually also very poor in term of quality).
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Old 11 December 2015, 21:24   #11
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This is interesting if it runs the same software as the RPI. I only use mine with retropie, so that running on a faster device would be cool

There's also more support for Android.. so.... I may back this
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I doubt very much that it'll run raspberry pi distros.
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Old 14 December 2015, 10:57   #13
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ASRock D1800M - 50E, ASRock QC5000M - 60E, Sapphire Pure White Fusion E350 - 60E and many many more... even adding memory and some other components still we can have better and more open HW (main problem of many ARM based SoC is a closed graphics driver usually also very poor in term of quality).
Yes, but those are huge-ass compared to a Pi/Pine, and they also use a lot more power - not considering more expensive! You have to add RAM, PSU and storage to it ($$$), and obviously you can't expect to put a microSD on such a system and expect it to be enough in terms of r/w speeds And well... an ATX power-supply is massive, and SFX ones are really expensive...

tl;dr You can now see why everyone likes ARM boards
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Old 14 December 2015, 11:57   #15
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Most of these ARM boards are cheap, but far from exciting. It's just a combination of the cheapest chips available. Also the design of the RPi is bad (I have a dozen of them). The network and USB ports cannot even trigger interrupts, but have to be polled, wasting 20% of the possible performance!

The development of the last years, which gave ARM an unhealthy market share in the embedded market, is certainly not good. Again, there have been much better CPUs, but in the future we will be left without any choice, as in the desktop market, which is dominated by x86.
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Most of these ARM boards are cheap, but far from exciting. It's just a combination of the cheapest chips available. Also the design of the RPi is bad (I have a dozen of them). The network and USB ports cannot even trigger interrupts, but have to be polled, wasting 20% of the possible performance!

The development of the last years, which gave ARM an unhealthy market share in the embedded market, is certainly not good. Again, there have been much better CPUs, but in the future we will be left without any choice, as in the desktop market, which is dominated by x86.
I feel the same about the new ARM based Arduino/Genuino stuff, it went from "one instruction per clock cycle" and interrupt driven AVR 8-Bit microcontroller awesomeness to ARM 32-Bit software bloated fluff with I/O problems.

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Old 31 December 2015, 13:22   #18
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Yes, but those are huge-ass compared to a Pi/Pine, and they also use a lot more power - not considering more expensive! You have to add RAM, PSU and storage to it ($$$), and obviously you can't expect to put a microSD on such a system and expect it to be enough in terms of r/w speeds And well... an ATX power-supply is massive, and SFX ones are really expensive...

tl;dr You can now see why everyone likes ARM boards
Same for ARM, PSU, memory card etc - yes i agree they are slightly more expensive but they provide way more capabilities (extensions) side to this in Intel case open GPU (well true also for BCM GPU but MALI or other GPU's closed blob full of nasty bugs).
Overall add on top 30 - 40$ and you can run everything you wish where on ARM it is somehow reduced.

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The network and USB ports cannot even trigger interrupts, but have to be polled, wasting 20% of the possible performance!
Well - blame CPU design - long pipeline and large cache prevent to use interrupts - polling is simply more efficient.
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Have people seen there are now some quite cheap X86 computers on Kickstarter:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ref=nav_search

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ref=nav_search

The LattePanda seems to have a better CPU. And with 3 USB's you can plug in Keyboard, Mouse & Joystick without needing a hub. Would be great for WinUAE.
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It's kinda funny how they only asked for $3000 for the Jaguar board...
Maybe we should let those guys build Amiga stuff ;-)
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