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Old 29 December 2002, 23:54   #1
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EAB 50 Most Influential Games

Well folks, following that crummy PC article im wondered what WE (us on EAB being more open minded people) thought what they should be.

I throw in the following opening suggestions. Theyre dont make up 50 - or are they in an order, but theyre a start. Not being the worlds authority on games id like to know what you think should be added, replaced or taken away.

Stunt Car Racer
Outrun

Dyna Blaster

Elite
Gunship
Wing Commander

Gauntlet
Dungeon Master
Ultima V: Warriors of Destiny

Turrican
Prince of Persia

Scorched Tanks

Space Quest
Zak McKraken & The Alien Mindbenders

Defender
R-Type

Driller
Wolfenstein 3d
Half-Life
Dune 2

Populous
Sim City
Civilization
Laser Squad

Ultima Online

Jet Set Willy
Sonic The Hedgehog
Super Mario Bros
Ghosts'N'Goblins
Mario Bros

Kung Fu Master
Way Of The Exploding Fist
Streetfighter 2

Pac Man
Space Invaders

Sensible World of Soccer
Championship Manager
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Old 30 December 2002, 00:50   #2
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Great idea! I need to think more on this, but off the top of my head, Tetris must be on the list.
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Yep great idea. Akalabeth might be on the list, the pre-ultima game but I'm not sure whether or not it was original.
 
Old 30 December 2002, 00:53   #4
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you've gotta have pong on there as well, seeing as it pretty much started it all off
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Old 30 December 2002, 00:58   #5
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And hey, once we have what is the truly definitive 50 most influential games of all time, a page should be created to expose the truth.
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Old 30 December 2002, 01:18   #6
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Akalebeth was a Wizardry! clone.

I would like to add Pirates! as an open-ended adventure

I would like to second Pong as a pioneer game in the industry

I would like to second Gunship because it rewarded good playing with medals and promotions (an excellent touch)

I would agree with Wolfenstien 3D, but I think Doom deserves the FPS credit.

That being said, I would like to nominate the actual castle Wolfenstien, by Silias S. Warner.

I would like to nominate X-Com (or whatever it is called internationally)

I would like to second Wing Commander

I would like to second Civilization

I would like to nominate M.U.L.E.

I would like to nominate Planescape: Torment

I would like to nominate Close Combat

I would like to nominate Master of Magic

I would like to nominate Ultima II

I would like to second Dune II

That's it for now.
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Old 30 December 2002, 01:19   #7
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There was a game named bomberman on nintendo nes that was like dynablaster but AFAIK it was older.

As for ultima 5, it's a poorer sequel to ultima 4 and looks like it. Even richard garriott admits ultima 4 is the best one story-wise.

I don't know the difference bewteen super nand normal mario bros but one pair of plumbers should be enough After all there are a lot of different sonic games as well, we can summarize them as soinc series and mario series games.

I'd add titles like syndicate and phantasy star to the list. While phantasy star was a direct rival to final fantasy series, the original phantasy star game on sega master system had smooth 3d first person dungeon view. While the gmae used a trick to display 2s graphics like 3d, it looked cooler than wolfenstein, in 1988!!! Grab this game and a SMS emulator guys!

And I agree on Planescape: Torment but it was influenced by baldur's gate (in terms of technology) which is influenced by goldbox rpgs like champions of krynn and pool of radiance which were influenced by titles of their own day.
 
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Old 30 December 2002, 15:53   #9
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And hey, once we have what is the truly definitive 50 most influential games of all time, a page should be created to expose the truth.
What are the parameters? Everything from Space Wars (1972) to Sim City 4 (next month)
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Personally, I'd nuke off Baldur's Gate and its clones, and opt for Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor instead. Much better game, IMO. I'm sure that's not popular opinion, but I don't care

I'd definately have these on my list:

Pong
Zork
Bard's Tale
Speedball 2
Maniac Mansion
Shadowgate
Sim City
Wolfenstein 3D (I see Doom as more of an evolution)
Quake
Half-Life
Ultima
R-Type
Dragon's Lair
Super Mario Brothers
Final Fantasy
M.U.L.E.
Herzog Zwei (Genesis, probably the first RTS)
Command & Conquer (had more of an impact than Dune 2 I think)
Legend of Zelda
Castlevania

That's all I can list right now. Maybe add more later

@Burseg - Mario Bros and Super Mario Bros are RADICALLY different games. Mario Bros has no real influence on anything, but Super Mario Bros had a big impact on platformers.
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Old 30 December 2002, 17:16   #11
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Herzog Zwei was a RTS? I thought it was a shoot'em up when I saw the title on a Sega brochure. I'm pretty sure it was released after Dune 2 though.

New pool of radiance shuold be in a worst games ever list.
 
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Remakes always fall flat on their face because the originals are remembered for being much better then they were.
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Old 30 December 2002, 17:32   #13
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I want to add Lemmings. It is one of THE games of the 90s.

I second Sonic. It started the platform game competition craze!

I wouldn't put Zak McKraken, I'd put Maniac Mansion!

If with Driller you mean Mr. Driller, you ought to put Dig Dug.

I'll think a bit more about this
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Driller is the 3d game by Incentive from 1987. One of the earliest as i recall.

Thanks for all the post so far. If you want i could post an amended list incorporating your suggestions at some point.
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Herzog Zwei was a RTS? I thought it was a shoot'em up when I saw the title on a Sega brochure. I'm pretty sure it was released after Dune 2 though.

New pool of radiance shuold be in a worst games ever list.

I think Herzog was first. It had the basic RTS elements in that you could buy troops and make money (to buy more troops). I'll go research the dates for each later

I personally think PoR 2 is the best one since the original TSR titles. Eye of the Beholder and all the Baldur Gates (and clones) suck IMO. I'm sure I just made a few friends with that comment

@Akira - Oops, how could I forget Lemmings? Thanks for reminding me.

@Anti - Go ahead. I'm sure we're not even CLOSE to finished with this debate though
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What are the parameters? Everything from Space Wars (1972) to Sim City 4 (next month)
Sim City 4, being unreleased, could hardly be considered influential.
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It was released in 1989, but preceded by Nether Earth

In general, I wouldn't add any 'second parts' to the list, because they obviously can't be the really groundbreaking ones. 75% of Speedball 2 for example is just Speedball "1"! That also goes for 'informal' follow-ups like Quake (covered by Doom or Wolfenstein 3D) or Master of Magic (mixture of Civilization and Master of Orion).

For Adventures, I'd like to nominate Adventure (or its extended version Colossal Cave Adventure).
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In general, I wouldn't add any 'second parts' to the list, because they obviously can't be the really groundbreaking ones. 75% of Speedball 2 for example is just Speedball "1"! That also goes for 'informal' follow-ups like Quake (covered by Doom or Wolfenstein 3D) or Master of Magic (mixture of Civilization and Master of Orion).
I'm not so sure I agree with this. For example, Super Mario Brothers radically changed the way the world looked at gaming (for the first time since the great video game crash), and easily eclipsed its source (Mario Brothers). James Pond 2: Codename Robocod had far more influence over its niche than James Pond did (although neither were enough to make any lists). And Speedball 2, regardless of its allusions to the first game, was the one that really mattered and got its claws into the Amiga gaming community, which cannot be said for Speedball itself.

In most cases, though, I would have to agree with you. But I think each game has to be examined on its own historical significance and performance.
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Old 30 December 2002, 22:35   #19
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Well then...howsabout this then

Bard's Tale
Bomberman
Castlevania
Championship Manager
Civilization
Defender
Dragon's Lair
Dune 2
Dungeon Master
Elite
Final Fantasy
Gauntlet
Gunship
Half-Life
Jet Set Willy
Kung Fu Master
Laser Squad
Legend of Zelda
Lemmings
M.U.L.E.
Maniac Mansion
Nether Earth
Outrun
Pac Man
Pirates!
Planescape: Torment
Pong
Pool of Radiance
Populous
Prince of Persia
R-Type
Sensible World of Soccer
Shadowgate
Sim City
Sonic The Hedgehog
Space Invaders
Space Quest
Speedball 2
Streetfighter 2
Stunt Car Racer
Super Mario Bros
Tetris
The Eidolon
Turrican
Ultima
Way Of The Exploding Fist
Wing Commander
Wolfenstein 3D
Worms
Zork
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space war indeed came before pong... space war is the mother of all electronic games!!!

Antiriad's list looks fine to me... (DJAY=LAZY)
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