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Old 21 May 2015, 13:57   #1
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Games which show off the (unexpanded) A1200?

Looking back, the A1200 wasn't as big a step forward as we told ourselves. In 1987 the A500 was a match for PCs costing four times as much; in 1992 the A1200 was of similar power to a PC costing a little more, but with much less software support and inferior graphics hardware - and why no integrated hard drive when just about every PC game needed one by then? All the same, it was an advance on the A500. Which games do people think showed it off best in its unexpanded form? Things like Alien Breed 3D and Xtreme Racing really need an upgraded system. Wing Commander comes to mind, though not AGA. Banshee? Aladdin? Guardian?

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Old 21 May 2015, 14:03   #2
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Oscar, Trolls, Testament
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Old 21 May 2015, 14:33   #3
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I Only got into aga games with winuae. But interesting topic, Definitely bookmarked this.

Did body blows aga have great advancements over the 500 version?

Also Watchtower AGA was a 1200 only game was this anything worth mentioning about or not?
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Old 21 May 2015, 14:48   #4
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These come quickly in mind.. they really are better than OCS alternatives: Super Stardust, SlamTilt, Worms Director's Cut, Roketz, Simon the Sorcerer...

And one absolutely must for show offing is the Nexus7 demo by Andromeda.
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Old 22 May 2015, 01:59   #5
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Oscar is a terrible game. Possibly the worst pack-in game ever. Even captain planet was better.
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Old 22 May 2015, 02:44   #6
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On a more positive note, Zeewolf, while not an AGA game, was impressive on an A1200.
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Old 22 May 2015, 06:33   #7
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These come quickly in mind.. they really are better than OCS alternatives: Super Stardust, SlamTilt, Worms Director's Cut, Roketz, Simon the Sorcerer...

And one absolutely must for show offing is the Nexus7 demo by Andromeda.

slam tilt is AGA only there is not OCS alternative
yes the nexus 7 demo is fantastic is a classic
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Old 22 May 2015, 07:34   #8
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Some AGA games are only AGA because A1200 got more ram than other models. But, yes, there are games that look impresive and have something improved to ECS/OCS versions.
Brian the lion - A500 was very impresive, AGA add more backgrounds with nice parallax, cd32 add more levels, mini-games, save-slots and cd tracks.
Slam Tilt - great graphic and gameplay.
Oscar - sure gameplay was low, but graphic got lot of stuff You can pickup, animated elements, big well animated hero sprite and giant mody pictures in backgrounds. AGA floppy Trolls on other hand looks near same, only cd32 got nice giant background pictures.
Tower Assault - I see it have more colors, just like Chaos Enigne
Super Stardust - lot of nice effects, very colorfull
Kid Chaos - is hard, but it's also very fast and got those giant made of many parts parallax backgrounds
T-zero was cool shmup but need more powered amiga
Aladdin, Banshee, Flink and Chuck Rock 2 (but I'm sure that A500 could play that two games if have more power), Fightin'spirit, Immposible Mission 2025 ( I do not noticed more colors but backgrounds are bigger), Ishar ( each game got more colors)

Personally I like always to pick cd32 version if avaible and if it improve even more sounds and controls.
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Old 22 May 2015, 07:42   #9
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Also (for different reasons each):
Gloom
Shadow Fighter
ultra violent worlds
the 3d sections of wendetta
Olofight
Acsys
Black Viper
xtreme racing
Kang Fu
land of genesis
marvin's marvelous adventure
overkill
roadkill
street racer
virtual gp
xp8

Obviously, some games are crap, but I'm talking about their technical merits.

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Old 22 May 2015, 09:35   #10
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Looking back, the A1200 wasn't as big a step forward as we told ourselves. In 1987 the A500 was a match for PCs costing four times as much; in 1992 the A1200 was of similar power to a PC costing a little more, but with much less software support and inferior graphics hardware - and why no integrated hard drive when just about every PC game needed one by then?
The trouble was you couldn't buy a PC set up for nowhere near £399 in 1992, i remember in the UK at least the lowest price gaming PC came around in 1993 at £999 (the Amstrad Mega PC, and even that couldn't play Doom full windowed) in retail outlets, people tend to forget PC's were bloody expensive back then and nothing like they are today.

I think this advert shows it better, whilst you could get cheaper PC's, you needed more the comparable Amiga spec to get any decent game, running add Windows and the starting price is £799+£200 for monitor and again its £999.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/11410150@N07/3283924161

People with rose tinted glasses always state yeah my 486 could run everything full speed, pissed on the Amiga...yeah but check the prices £3500!...my Neo Geo pissed on the Megadrive...if you don't take cost into it!

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Old 22 May 2015, 10:33   #11
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One of the best AGA games is Pierre Le Chef. It's really console-esque. 50hz scrolling, parallax, great music with simultaneous SFX and good gameplay to boot.

http://www.lemonamiga.com/games/details.php?id=2516

The other honorable mention goes to Bubble & Squeak AGA. While the background effects aren't as clever as some of the animated backgrounds in the Mega Drive version, the graphics are sharper and it shows the A1200 was much closer to the modern consoles than the A500 was.
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Old 22 May 2015, 10:37   #12
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Yes, I forgot about Pierre good game, just like rodland and rainbow islands got that arcade feel. I'm also sure there was snes version with not that much leves and bit lower field of view.
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A few good choices here - Super Stardust, Roadkill, Marvin's Marvelous Adventure, Slamtilt. Most of Vulture's list really needs more than the basic A1200. The two Zeewolf games are good examples of games that weren't AGA and so did run on an A500, but where too slow without the accelerator. Other games might've benefitted from the memory.

As for prices, I might've slightly exaggerated. The comparison is slightly apples-to-oranges, as PCs always used hard drives by then and required specialised monitors, whereas an Amiga was perfectly usable from floppies and with an old 14" TV. An A1200 with 40Mb hard drive and monitor would be £about £800 https://archive.org/stream/AmigaForm...e/n29/mode/2up here in Feb 1993, while a 386SX25 with monitor, 2Mb and a soundcard would cost about £1000 http://www.sunnyside.homelinux.org/s...uary_1993.html here (remember to add VAT for the main prices). Arguably the Amiga would be better for action games, the PC for sims/strategy/adventures - and with much more available software, why didn't Commodore make sure companies had enhanced AGA games in development sooner, and at least warn them to make everything compatible?
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Old 22 May 2015, 14:13   #14
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hmmm.... maybe you're correct. I think Xtreme Racing needs an 030 to get it going smoothly. I'm pretty sure though that both VirtualGP and Gloom (2x2 or 2x1 - full screen) were pacing just fine on plain A1200, were they not? Also, maybe a couple of titles need a CD-Rom present (normally), like wendetta and ultra violent worlds, but no acceleration was needed for better performance. Anything else besides those?
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Old 22 May 2015, 16:53   #15
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Gloom isn't too bad on an unexpanded A1200, moves at an okay speed though you have to compromise visual detail pretty heavily. Virtual GP needs a lot more than a basic A1200, Kang Fu and Land of Genesis both need hard drives and only came on CD, though Street Racer was a nice surprise.

With hindsight I think the A1200 should have been launched with a higher spec - 030, 4Mb memory, integrated hard drive. I'd've aimed at a £600 price-point, for the symmetry with the A600 selling at £300 by then. That way there was more for it to grow into, and less direct competition with the A600.
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With hindsight I think the A1200 should have been launched with a higher spec - 030, 4Mb memory, integrated hard drive. I'd've aimed at a £600 price-point, for the symmetry with the A600 selling at £300 by then. That way there was more for it to grow into, and less direct competition with the A600.
Yeah, they aimed too low with the 1200, trying to pitch it as a PC/console hybrid. By the time the 1200 came out, the consoles were already strong and the one button joystick was a huge handicap. Jack of all trades wasn't a good position in the early nineties.
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Old 22 May 2015, 18:33   #17
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How about Civilization? The first version of it on AGA still beats version 5 of it on a PC, not so much in terms of graphics of course, but by user interface, build animations, smart random events etc. Civ 2 had too many windows appearing all the time, which imo makes the game experience better in version 1.
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Im not sure about this, but I think original Civilizations AGA version might be best version they made, which is probably because I think it was last to be released.

If i correctly remember AGA version had some extra animation missing from rest of the versions. Only thing that I can recall (supposing i recall it right) was that those water areas near beach had animation of waves beating the beach. I think there were some more small things like that but cant recall any of the others.
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Old 22 May 2015, 19:09   #19
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Never really played the later ones, but to me Civ 2 was a massive improvement, including the user interface. Much slicker graphics, interesting new wonders, proper railroads, proper trade, reputation giving your strategies more long-term impact, and that's just off the top of my head. A shame it won't run on modern PCs - and a shame there wasn't a decent market for an Amiga version by 1996, 030 with 4Mb and HD might've been feasible, 040 and 8Mb easily. The AGA version of Civ 1 was quite nice, the Enemy Leader screens and that little water effect come to mind, but the main graphics weren't fully upgraded, alas.
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Already mentioned but Super Stardust definitely comes to mind.
Banshee... Slam Tilt too... StarTrek 25th Anniversary?
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