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Old 19 March 2014, 23:43   #1
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DO OR DIE,x86 or ARM?

Hello Amiga friends,

I want your help to bring back Amiga on the right track and secure the future.
We desparately need new hardware wich is powerfull and cheap.
The current Hyperion and Amiga inc roads are dead end Streets.
We must reorganize and bring together all poeple who love Amiga,every last person,company and develper has to join and contribute in a joint effort.
We have to build a foundation just like rasperry PI.
There are two options port Amiga OS to x86 or ARM.
There are fantastic small and cheap ARM or x86 developer boards to choose from,these are also ver powerfull.
We have to take over power from Amiga Inc or they have to join the effort.
If we could manage to bring together every Amiga developer and company this port could be finished in record time,we have really no time to waste.
We have to make a poll and choose x86 or ARM.
Big names have to join this effort and make this a succes.
Otherwise we are doomed,let's bring back Amiga to the glory days.
 
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Old 20 March 2014, 00:20   #2
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I just can't decide!

OMFG!
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Old 20 March 2014, 10:57   #3
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I just can't decide!

OMFG!
You really are a bad man

No point in reinventing the wheel, x86 already runs Amiga perfectly WinUAE.

ARM would be a better option but I don't know enough about it other than it probably doesn't have the bottlenecks that the old x86 architecture suffers from.
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Old 20 March 2014, 11:46   #4
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Old 20 March 2014, 11:54   #5
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No need to sweat, hydragon!

I've got it all covered already
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Old 20 March 2014, 14:11   #6
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Isn't AROS can run on ARM? (trough Linux but anyway it runs), later it can be ported natively especially that Broadcom opened GPU documentation and sources (i wrote news about this but seem it was not accepted by moderator on EAB).

I would say - x86 Intel is quite open (widely available documentation for GPU) thus there is a chance to have AROS running natively on x86 Intel, there is small chance to port AROS fully to ARM (Raspberry for today, in future perhaps other SoC when vendors decide to open HW documentation and sources).
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Old 20 March 2014, 14:42   #7
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I would say - x86 Intel is quite open (widely available documentation for GPU) thus there is a chance to have AROS running natively on x86 Intel
Er... AROS runs natively on x86: http://aros.sourceforge.net/introduc...386-and-x86-64
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Old 20 March 2014, 20:17   #8
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We've had the same on a1k and locked the thread. Nice but naive idea unless you have (own) the source for OS and drivers. YES, it is very likely Hyperion and others will deliver the source and make it open...
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Old 20 March 2014, 20:36   #9
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Let's say that we're aware of the potential problems with threads like this one and keep an eye on it

Very valid point about the legal issue(s). AROS again shows that it's possible (to a certain degree at least) to reimplement OS functions without having those problems. So in a way it would be reinventing the wheel not to favour AROS and help that project instead of creating something totally different.
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Yes i know about x86 and AROS - i've expressed myself not precisely - run natively mean access to GPU resources (at register level) not plain frame buffer as this is quite HW independent (my point was that Intel have policy to keep relatively open documents (not fully for example Grooveland embedded chips) but for example embedded GPU's are documented quite well).
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Old 20 March 2014, 21:40   #11
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When it is going to end? In twenty years you will think: @OH s..t this Windows 7 was a very good system and loads of nice games and software but it is all gone now and we have something s..t instead. But I had spent all my time living in the past, thinking about some Emiga (or Omiga - I do not even remember it now) and I have missed it .Lets bring it back . Lets join our efforts and rewrite Windows from the beginning ...
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...or MIPS!
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Old 20 March 2014, 23:52   #13
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I vote for SPARC.
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When it is going to end? In twenty years you will think: @OH s..t this Windows 7 was a very good system and loads of nice games and software but it is all gone now and we have something s..t instead. But I had spent all my time living in the past, thinking about some Emiga (or Omiga - I do not even remember it now) and I have missed it .Lets bring it back . Lets join our efforts and rewrite Windows from the beginning ...
ReactOS already do That.
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Old 21 March 2014, 11:22   #15
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Oh, another Amiga Fan Fiction thread.
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Old 21 March 2014, 11:27   #16
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Mi pov about this is that amiga os has a better basis than windows and if it was updated more often, it should still better than windows now and when i see the price of the amiga 1000, they should think to change the hardware behind the amigaos, but perhaps they know things we didn't and it's a little bit a dream that the amiga still have new hardware and software in 2014 even if everything won't go like we would. And i understand those who says that we should turn the page.But i can't forget what the amiga could have been today.I used the amigaos on a powerfull amiga4000 and it was a real pleasure, you felt under your fingers every mhz you had and i don't find this sensation with windows, don't forget the power we had under our fingers, it's normal that windows seems good now with ssd, ghz multi thread and impressive gfx card etc...

edited : before to think about to change the cpu of the amiga they should work on the support of flash, html 5 etc... the amigaos 4 still miss some must have featuresto be credible, if you go the x86 without some important features in the world of today, it's the end for them. If they think about to change the cpu and to be less underground they must first finish the amiga os 4.it's a little like if the amiga os still beta and i don't think they should change the cpu or make publicity about their work before everything is ready. No one of us know the final goal of hyperion and aeon perhaps they are making that for fun or perhaps they have a futur goal.

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Old 21 March 2014, 12:37   #17
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what happend to using the a search to see if the question has been asked before?
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Old 21 March 2014, 12:42   #18
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DO OR DIE...

Hmm... A difficult choice...

But with the options presented to me...

I choose DIE
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Old 21 March 2014, 12:51   #19
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Old 21 March 2014, 13:05   #20
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I guess since the OP didn't reply at all we can consider this thread 'solved' now...
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