English Amiga Board Amiga Lore


Go Back   English Amiga Board > Support > support.WinUAE

 
 
Thread Tools
Old 02 November 2013, 13:55   #301
amilo3438
Amiga 500 User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: EU
Posts: 1,114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toni Wilen View Post
It still isn't interesting and it won't help. It won't really narrow down possible problem, unless you start assuming and I won't (at least not too much).
Regarding Hi Freaks (Intro) by Supplex & The Silents works fine on 68010 ... I thought if would be possible to compare timing values between 68000 and 68010 while both still use same timing (as you have been mentioned in beta 10 release) and narrow down possible different values?!

Of course, just another loud thinking that doesnt need answer.
amilo3438 is offline  
AdSense AdSense  
Old 02 November 2013, 14:01   #302
Toni Wilen
WinUAE developer
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland
Age: 42
Posts: 19,517
Quote:
Originally Posted by amilo3438 View Post
It seems that the shifted scrollers fix might damaged "something"!

Megademo by Intuition ... WinUAE test 2013-10-31 (pic.1) and test 2013-11-02 (pic.2)...?!
Fixed. It was forgotten test change.

Quote:
Originally Posted by amilo3438 View Post
Regarding Hi Freaks (Intro) by Supplex & The Silents works fine on 68010 ... I thought if would be possible to compare timing values between 68000 and 68010 while both still use same timing (as you have been mentioned in beta 10 release) and narrow down possible different values?!

Of course, just another loud thinking that doesnt need answer.
Timing code is same but documented differences makes it different: exceptions (including interrupts) have longer stack frame and CLR/Scc works slightly differently, for example.
Toni Wilen is online now  
Old 02 November 2013, 14:42   #303
amilo3438
Amiga 500 User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: EU
Posts: 1,114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toni Wilen View Post
Fixed. It was forgotten test change.
Wow, this one works fine ... now need to update the 1st page ... and probably test other already fixed demos ... just in case.


EDIT: Confirmed ... all other "already fixed demos" also works fine in latest test winuae.zip 2013-11-02 13:55 !!!

In addition one surprise: Hi Freaks (Intro) by Supplex & The Silents also doesnt show any glitches!!! (accidently or ... it has been fixed ?!)

Last edited by amilo3438; 02 November 2013 at 18:25.
amilo3438 is offline  
Old 02 November 2013, 21:13   #304
amilo3438
Amiga 500 User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: EU
Posts: 1,114
Bombastic Passion (Intro) by Nova

Beta11, A500 OCS 0.5MB+0.5MB ... pic.?! (It doesnt happens with ECS Agnus!)
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	NOVA-BombasticPassion_001.png
Views:	122
Size:	17.0 KB
ID:	37636  
amilo3438 is offline  
Old 02 November 2013, 21:24   #305
Toni Wilen
WinUAE developer
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland
Age: 42
Posts: 19,517
Quote:
Originally Posted by amilo3438 View Post
Bombastic Passion (Intro) by Nova

Beta11, A500 OCS 0.5MB+0.5MB ... pic.?! (It doesnt happens with ECS Agnus!)
It is correct. Sprite pointers point to bogus data, ECS sprites have extra vertical bits and if set (and it is in this demo), vertical start position becomes large enough, outside of PAL area.

These bits were added to support mouse cursor sprite on new ECS only programmed high resolution non-interlaced modes.
Toni Wilen is online now  
Old 03 November 2013, 13:39   #306
amilo3438
Amiga 500 User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: EU
Posts: 1,114
Party Demo 2 (Intro) by Network

Found the same also on the link ... what happened here ?!

Does it happens same on a real A500?

EDIT: Yes, I didnt read it carefully ... its fake bugs!

Last edited by amilo3438; 03 November 2013 at 13:51.
amilo3438 is offline  
Old 03 November 2013, 13:50   #307
Toni Wilen
WinUAE developer
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland
Age: 42
Posts: 19,517
Yes. "Fake bugs" tag says it all!
Toni Wilen is online now  
Old 03 November 2013, 14:45   #308
amilo3438
Amiga 500 User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: EU
Posts: 1,114
Paeckchen 50 Intro (Intro) by Mexx

"Something" broken sound?! ... It seems working fine in WinUAE 2.0.1 (2009-12-23)!

EDIT:Same here!
Plasma (Intro) by Mexx

Last edited by amilo3438; 03 November 2013 at 14:50.
amilo3438 is offline  
Old 03 November 2013, 15:44   #309
Toni Wilen
WinUAE developer
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland
Age: 42
Posts: 19,517
Quote:
Originally Posted by amilo3438 View Post
Paeckchen 50 Intro (Intro) by Mexx

"Something" broken sound?! ... It seems working fine in WinUAE 2.0.1 (2009-12-23)!

EDIT:Same here!
Plasma (Intro) by Mexx
They attempt to create NTSC mode by writing to Agnus scanline count register (VPOSW) but it is done using method that makes no sense. I have no idea why it is done that way (and I am even sure how it can work..)

Old versions didn't support this kind of refresh rate programming (used mainly in games, Dynablaster, Soccer Kid and Wings of Death)

EDIT: added hack that prevents moving vpos backwards. It wouldn't have worked correctly anyway because display scanline and Agnus scanline are glued together in emulation. It would require major changes to support vpos tricks fully and it really isn't worth the trouble in near future.

Last edited by Toni Wilen; 03 November 2013 at 17:05.
Toni Wilen is online now  
Old 03 November 2013, 18:15   #310
amilo3438
Amiga 500 User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: EU
Posts: 1,114
4 Bitplane Sine Scroller (Demo) by Level 4

winuaelog -> "BLITTER: channel mode changed while active (09->0D) PC=0003b7a0"

It seems as another "blitter active" issue!

EDIT:
Rampage (Trackmo) by The Electronic Knights

winuaelog -> "BLITTER: channel mode changed while active (01->0D) PC=00038c8c"

Last edited by amilo3438; 03 November 2013 at 20:32.
amilo3438 is offline  
Old 03 November 2013, 18:22   #311
amilo3438
Amiga 500 User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: EU
Posts: 1,114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toni Wilen View Post
EDIT: added hack that prevents moving vpos backwards. It wouldn't have worked correctly anyway because display scanline and Agnus scanline are glued together in emulation. It would require major changes to support vpos tricks fully and it really isn't worth the trouble in near future.
Then is better to have a hack than nothing.

Just tested in today newest winuae.exe ... now both demos works fine!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toni Wilen View Post
Old versions didn't support this kind of refresh rate programming (used mainly in games, Dynablaster, Soccer Kid and Wings of Death)
Will the hack also work for mentioned games?! ... or these game will have some problem running in newest WinUAE versions?!
(just ask, didnt tested, also not interested if will not work)
amilo3438 is offline  
Old 03 November 2013, 18:40   #312
Toni Wilen
WinUAE developer
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland
Age: 42
Posts: 19,517
Quote:
Originally Posted by amilo3438 View Post
Then is better to have a hack than nothing.

Just tested in today newest winuae.exe ... now both demos works fine!
They do work now but not "fine". Screen mode is still PAL, not "fake" NTSC.

Quote:
Will the hack also work for mentioned games?! ... or these game will have some problem running in newest WinUAE versions?!
(just ask, didnt tested, also not interested if will not work)
Those games still work correctly, this hack does not prevent "normal" fake NTSC code from working. (vpos at line ~262 or so is moved to last PAL line)
Toni Wilen is online now  
Old 03 November 2013, 19:58   #313
heavy
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: europe
Posts: 169
about Rampage/Tek
http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=10250

I've not tested this one since winuae 1.6.2 b4 / 2.0.0, when the "landscape" part does'nt crash anymore (with CE=ON)

I retested it now with v2.5.1 -> 2.7.0b9 CE=ON (more test needed, I don't know since which version this bug happens) :
at the credits part the music replayer stop (pic1), play very slowly until next part (pic2)

with 2.7.0b11 bug with both CE=ON/OFF

I also tested with the "fixed" disk version : this part works with CE=OFF, as the first part
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Image1.png
Views:	105
Size:	32.3 KB
ID:	37648   Click image for larger version

Name:	Image2.png
Views:	104
Size:	13.5 KB
ID:	37649  

Last edited by heavy; 03 November 2013 at 23:51.
heavy is offline  
Old 03 November 2013, 21:17   #314
amilo3438
Amiga 500 User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: EU
Posts: 1,114
Quote:
Originally Posted by heavy View Post
with 2.7.0b11 bug with both cycle exact on/off
Well, on 2.7.0 beta11 with CE=OFF I got power reset before landscape part!

With beta 11 and CE=ON noticed same music playing problem!

I have been verified version http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/break/...s.php?id=16058.

On an old WinUAE 2.0.1 it works w/o music playing issue!
amilo3438 is offline  
Old 03 November 2013, 23:35   #315
heavy
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: europe
Posts: 169
Quote:
Originally Posted by amilo3438 View Post
Well, on 2.7.0 beta11 with CE=OFF I got power reset before landscape part!
yep, always with CE=OFF, not only 2.7.0b11. this part only work with CE=ON since winuae 1.6.2b4 until now (never worked before)

the fix works fine with CE OFF also with the credits part bug.
Attached Files
File Type: zip tekrampage_winuae_fixed.zip (750.7 KB, 29 views)

Last edited by heavy; 04 November 2013 at 00:06.
heavy is offline  
Old 04 November 2013, 12:46   #316
amilo3438
Amiga 500 User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: EU
Posts: 1,114
Mental Turricanover (Demo) by Kyrios & Dutch Usa Team & Rainbow Arts

Does the text looks same unreadable on a real A500?!

(Double line mode -> pics.1, 2 ... Scanelines line mode -> pic.3)
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Kyrios-MentalTurricanover_001.png
Views:	100
Size:	13.8 KB
ID:	37668   Click image for larger version

Name:	Kyrios-MentalTurricanover_002.png
Views:	100
Size:	12.8 KB
ID:	37669   Click image for larger version

Name:	Kyrios-MentalTurricanover_003.png
Views:	98
Size:	11.7 KB
ID:	37670  
amilo3438 is offline  
Old 04 November 2013, 15:53   #317
amilo3438
Amiga 500 User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: EU
Posts: 1,114
Vector Bobs (Demo) by It

A500 OCS/ECS 512+512 ... garbage in scrolling text! (It seems working fine if CE=OFF.)

EDIT: (WinUAE 0.8.27 (2004-06-05) working fine with CE=ON)

EDIT2: winuaelog ->
"BLITTER: channel mode changed while active (01->09) PC=000267c4"
"BLITTER: D-channel without nothing to do?"
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IT-TecVectorBobs_002.png
Views:	91
Size:	5.9 KB
ID:	37674  

Last edited by amilo3438; 04 November 2013 at 20:14.
amilo3438 is offline  
Old 04 November 2013, 20:04   #318
Toni Wilen
WinUAE developer
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland
Age: 42
Posts: 19,517
Quote:
Originally Posted by amilo3438 View Post
Well, on 2.7.0 beta11 with CE=OFF I got power reset before landscape part!

With beta 11 and CE=ON noticed same music playing problem!

I have been verified version http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/break/...s.php?id=16058.

On an old WinUAE 2.0.1 it works w/o music playing issue!
Not much help. It is 99.9% surely CPU speed issue and this is quite useless test case because disabling cycle-exact when credits part starts won't fix it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by amilo3438 View Post
Mental Turricanover (Demo) by Kyrios & Dutch Usa Team & Rainbow Arts

Does the text looks same unreadable on a real A500?!

(Double line mode -> pics.1, 2 ... Scanelines line mode -> pic.3)
Yes

Quote:
Originally Posted by amilo3438 View Post
Vector Bobs (Demo) by It

A500 OCS/ECS 512+512 ... garbage in scrolling text! (It seems working fine if CE=OFF.)

EDIT: (WinUAE 0.8.27 (2004-06-05) working fine with CE=ON)
You missed some blitter messages in the log...
Toni Wilen is online now  
Old 04 November 2013, 22:42   #319
amilo3438
Amiga 500 User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: EU
Posts: 1,114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toni Wilen View Post
It is 99.9% surely CPU speed issue and this is quite useless test case because disabling cycle-exact when credits part starts won't fix it.
You are probably right ... so its now just for the record!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toni Wilen View Post
You missed some blitter messages in the log...
yep, my mistake, dont know how that happen.
amilo3438 is offline  
Old 04 November 2013, 22:45   #320
amilo3438
Amiga 500 User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: EU
Posts: 1,114
Oh No! Not Another One of Those Bob-Demos (Demo) by D-Mob

A500 OCS/ECS 512+512 ... Probably another one "CPU speed issue"?!

(ps. It seems WinUAE 2.0.1 is last version where its working fine!)
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	D_Mob-BobDemo_001.png
Views:	88
Size:	4.4 KB
ID:	37680   Click image for larger version

Name:	D_Mob-BobDemo_002.png
Views:	86
Size:	6.1 KB
ID:	37681   Click image for larger version

Name:	D_Mob-BobDemo_003.png
Views:	82
Size:	7.4 KB
ID:	37682  
amilo3438 is offline  
AdSense AdSense  
 


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Problematic GVP A530 Turbo Mogsy support.Hardware 22 13 November 2012 19:12
Problematic thread? prowler project.EAB 5 28 October 2011 00:06
Problematic Holiday Lemmings 94 demo disk MethodGit support.Games 19 08 November 2010 03:56
Problematic slaves list keropi project.Killergorilla's WHD packs 44 28 November 2008 12:46
Looking for two demos... eternalcrusader request.Demos 3 01 August 2006 08:57

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 20:28.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Page generated in 0.25108 seconds with 12 queries