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Old 27 January 2013, 17:53   #1
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Exclamation We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!

Hello all,

we need a new BROWSER for 68k Systems supporting CSS & AGA.
A first step is NETSURF, but it has no native GUI and is not optimized.

Why? With the upcoming PHP 5.4.x VBulletin 3 & 4 is no more supported.
This is something that will happen in the future for www.a1k.org.

After a long internal discussion I can say that the www.a1k.org Community grand a minimum of 750 for a working optimized Browser supporting 68k, AGA & CSS.

And I am sure this will be more only from our side, together with other Amiga Communities this could be enough money for a nice holiday. :-)

Regarding OS4 we have enough good solutions, but we need something again for the Classic Amigas...
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Old 27 January 2013, 20:21   #2
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750€ for a full featured optimised browser for 68k systems? Good luck finding someone who will code it for that amount of money...
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Old 27 January 2013, 20:59   #3
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AMIGA is still a nice hobby and I am also managing a forum since over 8 years without getting paid!
As I said before it would be a first step, if someone can and will do this job, more money should be no problem.
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Old 27 January 2013, 21:08   #4
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I'm sure people will donate on such project.
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Old 27 January 2013, 21:16   #5
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AMIGA is still a nice hobby and I am also managing a forum since over 8 years without getting paid!
Yes, I know your forum, you mention it all the time so it's hard to miss!
What a forum has to do with coding a browser for 68k Amigas is quite a bit beyond me though!

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As I said before it would be a first step, if someone can and will do this job, more money should be no problem.
You seem to forget that coding an optimised browser for 68k Amigas is not exactly a trivial task. Money is one thing, the other thing is finding someone who will code it. As said, good luck.


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I'm sure people will donate on such project.
While that is most certainly true there still needs to be one (or preferrably more) coder(s) who'll actually code the browser. And there are not that many 68k coders left. Also, a browser is really not something you can "just do", people will demand a lot of features and it will be a neverending project as you also have to keep track of all bug reports and all these other "interesting" things.
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Old 27 January 2013, 22:00   #6
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There's probably a lot of 68k coders left. I doubt severely that they'd engage a project of this nature, or indeed of any nature for 750 tbh.

Even if you added a 0 on the end.
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Old 27 January 2013, 22:05   #7
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I suggest a Kickstarter.
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Old 27 January 2013, 22:12   #8
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Why? With the upcoming PHP 5.4.x VBulletin 3 & 4 is no more supported.
This is something that will happen in the future for www.a1k.org.
Well, what feature have been dropped that vbulletiun 3 & 4 relies on?

While a new browser could be nice - it is a daunting task. However, it shouldn't be a problem adding a compatibility layer that solves the problem?
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Old 27 January 2013, 23:11   #9
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Well, what feature have been dropped that vbulletiun 3 & 4 relies on?
I am sorry, but for this I have to ask our programmer. There are many functions deprecated and it would be a security problem.

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While a new browser could be nice - it is a daunting task. However, it shouldn't be a problem adding a compatibility layer that solves the problem?
This is what we are doing since 6 years, but for VB5 we have to start from zero. Our programmer is no more willing to support iBrowse using templates and there are many other problems.

I think with PHP 5.4.x many other forums will also have a problem, they may do not know it at the moment...

Artur already made a port:
http://de3.aminet.net/comm/www/NetSurf-m68k.readme
I will contact him...
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Old 28 January 2013, 00:05   #10
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Hello apex

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we need a new BROWSER for 68k Systems supporting CSS & AGA.
You're right! We need a highly optimised css browser for 68k/aga. But it's a big big work and as StingRay sayed it'll be a neverending project.

Anyway i hope that someone will answer you positively and start working on this ambitious project. The $$$ is not the main problem. A project like this one will need a lot of time.
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Old 28 January 2013, 09:20   #11
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I am sorry, but for this I have to ask our programmer. There are many functions deprecated and it would be a security problem.

This is what we are doing since 6 years, but for VB5 we have to start from zero. Our programmer is no more willing to support iBrowse using templates and there are many other problems.

I think with PHP 5.4.x many other forums will also have a problem, they may do not know it at the moment...
This are the changes in php 5.3-5.4 that could break the site:

Changes that affect compatibility:

Register globals, magic quotes and safe mode were removed
The break/continue $var syntax was removed
The ini option allow_call_time_pass_reference was removed
The PHP default_charset is now "UTF-8" within the distributed php.ini files, but still defaults to ""

And the one I would think would be the problem are 'register globals'. which would be the easiest thing in the world to make a fix for.
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Old 28 January 2013, 10:10   #12
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But PHP runs server side... I can understand that missing CSS support is really a problem for any browser, but isn't the real problem how vBulletin is implemented and not the PHP version used? Sorry... it's early and I just had my 'WTF are they talking about' 5 minutes

P.S.: All the best that you find someone to do it.
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You're right! We need a highly optimised css browser for 68k/aga. But it's a big big work and as StingRay sayed it'll be a neverending project.

Anyway i hope that someone will answer you positively and start working on this ambitious project. The $$$ is not the main problem. A project like this one will need a lot of time.
Yep I already gave it a good go, I spent hours on this port but haven't really got that far. It really is a massive project, and would need someone very skilled and with a lot of time on their hands.
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Anyway, I think 68k Amiga is good enough for email, aminet, forums and few other similar simple web applications, but too weak for most modern websites, that use big resolution, a lot o flash etc.

It means sites themselves must be optimised for weaker machines and browsers, otherwise all the hard work is futile. Good example: EAB mobile.
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Old 28 January 2013, 11:27   #15
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The browser I've found to work best on 68k (read: able to show many of todays websites) is the 3.x backport of Aweb-II...

http://www.greyhound-data.com/gunnar...page=downloads
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Old 30 January 2013, 20:23   #16
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Old 30 January 2013, 21:11   #17
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Fantastic, very good news
Good luck to all.
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Old 31 January 2013, 00:16   #18
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The browser I've found to work best on 68k (read: able to show many of todays websites) is the 3.x backport of Aweb-II...

http://www.greyhound-data.com/gunnar...page=downloads
I tried both versions and they both crash when I load a website. Other than that, they do seem faster than the AWeb 3.4 I have in my ClassicWB.
The oldest of the two could load the mobile EAB website, but when I directed it to the full website, it crashed.
This was on my A1200 with ACA1232. It is configured for use with 040/060 or something?
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Old 31 January 2013, 00:31   #19
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I tried both versions and they both crash when I load a website. Other than that, they do seem faster than the AWeb 3.4 I have in my ClassicWB.
The oldest of the two could load the mobile EAB website, but when I directed it to the full website, it crashed.
This was on my A1200 with ACA1232. It is configured for use with 040/060 or something?
I don't know about the 040/060 part.. I have an A4040 3.1 and had no problems with it..
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The browser I've found to work best on 68k (read: able to show many of todays websites) is the 3.x backport of Aweb-II...
At the link you gave, that's V3.5.07. I don't know why you would describe it as a backport. Anyway, V3.5.09 is available from http://amigan.1emu.net/aw/

Are you claiming that there is some issue with V3.5.09 that makes it worse somehow than V3.5.07? Could you be more specific about exactly you claim is wrong with V3.5.09?
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