Amiga Soundtracker / Protracker Competition

StevenMarshall · 02 January 2012, 19:34

ST-01 Disk (Soundtracker / Protracker) Competition

Rules:

The goal is to do the whole composition with samples only from the ST-01 disk, which is available for download from here: ST01.zip
Should be 100% retro Soundtracker style. By that we mean: NO resampling. NO processing allowed. Remember: original Soundtracker had no sample processing facility.
Exception to rune No2: You can use resample function to double the pitch of a sample if necessary. You can also use taper (small fade in/out) at the sample ends to smooth out the (clicky) loop.
You can create a module using any of the classic AMIGA trackers (Noisetracker, Soundtracker, Protracker), as long as it is playable by any standard MOD player and has 4 channels max.
Doesn't matter where you compose it - real Amiga or on emulator (i.e. WinUAE).

Simply reply to this tread and use file attachment to submit a module. It would be useful to ZIP/RAR it prior to that, to save some bandwidth.

ST-01 disk in ADF format is available for download from here: ST01.zip

Submissions so far:

<performer> .......... <track name>
<performer> .......... <track name>
<performer> .......... <track name>
<performer> .......... <track name>

And remember, the winner is everyone who submits a track!

daxb · 02 January 2012, 20:07

What about a deadline? I guess it is necessary for a competition. It is allowed to edit (cut, echo, ramp, loop, ...) the samples?

Shoonay · 02 January 2012, 20:35

Post info on modules.pl too

StevenMarshall · 02 January 2012, 23:08

Hi!

There's no deadline actually. This is what makes it fun. We just discuss the tracks and post comments.

OT: Sorry for posting in the wrong subforum, this will be moved to appropriate place decided by the Moderator.

Cheers!!!!!

Vegas · 03 January 2012, 06:36

Good idea! How about sample editing/resampling?

Akira · 03 January 2012, 14:02

I started doing something like this a while ago. I'm in!
It's a bit shit though that there is no deadline. If there was a deadline a colection can be completed and a musicdisk compiled by a coder. Think about it, releasing it on the scene would be much better than just posting it in a forum,.

Predseda · 03 January 2012, 14:07

I also would set up a deadline. I will not participate though, as I am mostly to Dpaint

StevenMarshall · 03 January 2012, 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas

Good idea! How about sample editing/resampling?

Maybe on some other competition with 256 bytes long, single cycle sinewave.

Galahad/FLT · 03 January 2012, 21:57

I'm up for this

Only ever had one published module

Djay · 03 January 2012, 22:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predseda

I also would set up a deadline. I will not participate though, as I am mostly to Dpaint

as it could turn into a music disk... maybe your talents would come in handy...

i could write a track selection program?

musojon74 · 04 January 2012, 11:48

I'm in :-) We should do a low memory mod compo too later :-)

Akira · 04 January 2012, 14:52

Hold on, what do you mean no resampling?

StevenMarshall · 04 January 2012, 23:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

Hold on, what do you mean no resampling?

To cut or trim existing sample is ok.

But re-sampling opens pandora's box as things this way can be indefinitely processed. Thus the whole magic of good old ST-01 disk (as it is) is completely lost.

I'm sure others will agree.

diablothe2nd · 04 January 2012, 23:57

nice!

i'm wondering if people would be ok with me including some/all of them in the Amigeddon game i'm currently planning?

Vegas · 05 January 2012, 04:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by StevenMarshall

To cut or trim existing sample is ok. But re-sampling opens pandora's box as things this way can be indefinitely processed. Thus the whole magic of good old ST-01 disk (as it is) is completely lost.

I'm sure others will agree.

Ok, so its only tracker commands then. Maybe a good opportunity for me to finally lern some of them

Akira · 05 January 2012, 18:30

But resampling inside of ProTracker should be allowed.
The Amiga's poor frequency response is only possibly circumvented by resampling.

StingRay · 05 January 2012, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

But resampling inside of ProTracker should be allowed.
The Amiga's poor frequency response is only possibly circumvented by resampling.

Why don't you just use the samples from the ST-01 disk? After all, that's what the compo is about. People created very nice tunes with these samples back in the day so it's not that it's impossible or anything. It's easy to change the samples but where's the challenge then?

gibs · 05 January 2012, 19:24

Agree with StingRay, most of the best tunes are from 87-88^^
And those samples are really well sampled believe me

Akira · 05 January 2012, 22:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay

Why don't you just use the samples from the ST-01 disk? After all, that's what the compo is about. People created very nice tunes with these samples back in the day so it's not that it's impossible or anything. It's easy to change the samples but where's the challenge then?

I don't want to use new samples, I was talking about resampling, as in taking the sample into Protracker and resampling it so I can get a new range of the freq-spectrum. You understand what I mean?

It is well understood only the samples from the ST-01 disk are allowed, but what I propose is something you can do with them inside PT once you have loaded them.

I didn't mean making better quality samples, no way in hell I would be able to record that stuff back anyway, who knows where the hell they came from?

Edit: I actually had this one done in PT1.3, if I am not wrong, only with those samples, or maybe with some of the ST-02 disks:
http://www.facebook.com/v/383382261818

musojon74 · 05 January 2012, 22:53

+1 for resampling. It's so if one needs a higher frequency than the miggy can play it can be pitched up. I did this back in the day.

StevenMarshall · 06 January 2012, 14:44

The original idea was actually to submit a song, rather than a module. That way a user loads a song which then loads samples off the ST-01 disk. The "retro style". That was original thought for this game/competition. (Unfortunately Song would be a little bit tricky to play on stand alone player, hence the module in the end.)

In other words: let's see what one can compose, rather what one can do in sound design department.

Bottom line:
The whole accent here is on retro 100%. Original Soundtracker did not have resample function.

Akira · 06 January 2012, 15:35

Resampling is *hardly* "sound design"

daxb · 06 January 2012, 16:11

I is important to make clear rulez. So long it makes no sense to start anything. Make a deadline. For example end of year if you don`t want to make a deadline. Write the rulez down. Incl. samples have to stay original...

Akira · 06 January 2012, 17:27

YEah that's something else: you would have to include the list of samples intended for use. Those ST-XX disks have been tampered with many times. There's no assurance what one has the other one does.

musojon74 · 06 January 2012, 17:37

Resampling isn't sound design. It's allowing enough note range to compose. Actually I will just compose using samples from st 01 and dump it on my webspace. The. If it doesn't qualify - meh.

mazxim · 06 January 2012, 18:36

Hells calls hell. May Olof Gustafsson's soul be with you! It is expected nothing than awesomeness

(it's still something unexplained to me how that guy made that Pinball Fantasies's intro without FL Studio..)

StevenMarshall · 06 January 2012, 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by musojon74

Resampling isn't sound design. It's allowing enough note range to compose.

Yes, that's true. But you can also combine several notes with Protracker into a chord which then gets resampled and classifies as "resample". Who guarantees some other ppl won't use that function as well.

Anyway, you got me thinking about this issue and i think the best "retro" catch would be - to require for the track to be composed in original Soundtracker.

I've just installed one and will spend some time testing and seeing which features are "missing" from the Protracker that we are all used to. If too many, then i guess we should leave it to Protracker and pitch-resampling as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

YEah that's something else: you would have to include the list of samples intended for use. Those ST-XX disks have been tampered with many times. There's no assurance what one has the other one does.

I thought this problem was solved in the first post of this thread. No?

StevenMarshall · 06 January 2012, 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by daxb

I is important to make clear rulez. So long it makes no sense to start anything. Make a deadline.

I'm in the process of gathering ppl first. I will try to bring some old Amiga names as well.

Once we count our numbers then we together agree on the deadline. The winner gets a virtual sixpack of nice cold beer.

musojon74 · 06 January 2012, 19:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by StevenMarshall

Yes, that's true. But you can also combine several notes with Protracker into a chord which then gets resampled and classifies as "resample". Who guarantees some other ppl won't use that function as well.

Ahh ok I see your point. Well I'm in if I can just double the pitch of a sample (that's what I meant by resample). I won't do any of that making a chord out of a sample stuff!

StevenMarshall · 07 January 2012, 17:36

Ok, i've just tried the old Soundtracker and.... OMG.

Near impossible to work after getting used to Protracker and all the commands and UI.

So i guess we'll shift to the Protracker and resampling as an allowed option. Taper (small fade in/out) at the sample ends to smooth out the (clicky) loop should be allowed too.

daxb · 08 January 2012, 12:18

Suggestion: If someone edit samples then he/she has to write it in the sample text for easy check. E.g. smp #5 removed click.

Btw. I can`t download the zip with IBrowse. Can someone lha the samples and put it into TheZone?

prowler · 08 January 2012, 23:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by daxb

Btw. I can`t download the zip with IBrowse. Can someone lha the samples and put it into TheZone?

Try this instead:
http://aminet.net/mods/inst/st-01.lha

StevenMarshall · 09 January 2012, 10:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoonay

Post info on modules.pl too

EDIT:

I've contacted Adam (i think is his name), he appears to administrate the site, and got informed that the post has been open in there.

StevenMarshall · 09 January 2012, 10:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

Try this instead:
http://aminet.net/mods/inst/st-01.lha

Yup! That will work. This is from where i got my samples from.

daxb · 09 January 2012, 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

Try this instead:
http://aminet.net/mods/inst/st-01.lha

Thanks!

Akira · 10 January 2012, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by StevenMarshall

Yes, that's true. But you can also combine several notes with Protracker into a chord which then gets resampled and classifies as "resample".

Nah, that's the CHORD function, not resample :P Also I don't think 2.3D has it.

Sountracker doesn't work on anything, it would be ridiculous to use it. I think settling on PT1.3 or 2.3d, which are the most popular ones and run on almost every computer, should be good.

(didn't see the ST-01.zip file on the original post. Woops! :P)

gibs · 21 January 2012, 02:07

A preview of what I've just done while I was at the phone tonight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHatqoK-Bt4

Akira · 21 January 2012, 02:24

You're using PT1.3 or Soundtracker?
Nice one!

gibs · 21 January 2012, 03:24

Pt2.3d

StingRay · 21 January 2012, 13:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

I don't want to use new samples, I was talking about resampling, as in taking the sample into Protracker and resampling it so I can get a new range of the freq-spectrum. You understand what I mean?

Yes I did.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

It is well understood only the samples from the ST-01 disk are allowed, but what I propose is something you can do with them inside PT once you have loaded them.

Which means they are not the original ST-01 samples anymore. What exactly was the point of this very compo?

02 January 2012, 19:34	#1
StevenMarshall Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: EU Age: 36 Posts: 46	Amiga Soundtracker / Protracker Competition ST-01 Disk (Soundtracker / Protracker) Competition Rules: The goal is to do the whole composition with samples only from the ST-01 disk, which is available for download from here: ST01.zip Should be 100% retro Soundtracker style. By that we mean: NO resampling. NO processing allowed. Remember: original Soundtracker had no sample processing facility. Exception to rune No2: You can use resample function to double the pitch of a sample if necessary. You can also use taper (small fade in/out) at the sample ends to smooth out the (clicky) loop. You can create a module using any of the classic AMIGA trackers (Noisetracker, Soundtracker, Protracker), as long as it is playable by any standard MOD player and has 4 channels max. Doesn't matter where you compose it - real Amiga or on emulator (i.e. WinUAE). Simply reply to this tread and use file attachment to submit a module. It would be useful to ZIP/RAR it prior to that, to save some bandwidth. ST-01 disk in ADF format is available for download from here: ST01.zip Submissions so far: <performer> .......... <track name> <performer> .......... <track name> <performer> .......... <track name> <performer> .......... <track name> And remember, the winner is everyone who submits a track! Last edited by StevenMarshall; 07 January 2012 at 17:43. Reason: inserted smaller pic

02 January 2012, 20:35	#3
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Posts: 5,844	Post info on modules.pl too __________________ "I used to be an Amiga user, then I took an arrow in the knee."

03 January 2012, 14:07	#7
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03 January 2012, 21:57	#9
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 39 Posts: 5,029	I'm up for this Only ever had one published module __________________ Former member of: LSD, Scoopex, Razor 1911, Dual Crew Shining, Rednex, Fairlight. www.southwestscrap.co.uk

04 January 2012, 11:48	#11
musojon74 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dereham, United Kingdom Age: 39 Posts: 410	I'm in :-) We should do a low memory mod compo too later :-) __________________ Jon www.jonmusic.co.uk Amigas currently owned: Amiga A1200, 130mb RAM, 060/66mhz, 4gb HDD Amiga 1200, 6Mb RAM, 030/42mhz, 4gb HDD Amiga A600, 2Mb Chip, 6gb HDD

02 January 2012, 20:07	#2
daxb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 565	What about a deadline? I guess it is necessary for a competition. It is allowed to edit (cut, echo, ramp, loop, ...) the samples?

02 January 2012, 23:08	#4
StevenMarshall Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: EU Age: 36 Posts: 46	Hi! There's no deadline actually. This is what makes it fun. We just discuss the tracks and post comments. OT: Sorry for posting in the wrong subforum, this will be moved to appropriate place decided by the Moderator. Cheers!!!!!

03 January 2012, 06:36	#5
Vegas Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ulm / GER Posts: 52	Good idea! How about sample editing/resampling?

03 January 2012, 14:02	#6
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	I started doing something like this a while ago. I'm in! It's a bit shit though that there is no deadline. If there was a deadline a colection can be completed and a musicdisk compiled by a coder. Think about it, releasing it on the scene would be much better than just posting it in a forum,.

04 January 2012, 14:52	#12
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	Hold on, what do you mean no resampling?

04 January 2012, 23:57	#14
diablothe2nd Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Northampton, UK Age: 31 Posts: 908	nice! i'm wondering if people would be ok with me including some/all of them in the Amigeddon game i'm currently planning?

05 January 2012, 18:30	#16
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	But resampling inside of ProTracker should be allowed. The Amiga's poor frequency response is only possibly circumvented by resampling.

05 January 2012, 19:24	#18
gibs Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: france Posts: 932	Agree with StingRay, most of the best tunes are from 87-88^^ And those samples are really well sampled believe me

05 January 2012, 22:53	#20
musojon74 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dereham, United Kingdom Age: 39 Posts: 410	+1 for resampling. It's so if one needs a higher frequency than the miggy can play it can be pitched up. I did this back in the day. __________________ Jon www.jonmusic.co.uk Amigas currently owned: Amiga A1200, 130mb RAM, 060/66mhz, 4gb HDD Amiga 1200, 6Mb RAM, 030/42mhz, 4gb HDD Amiga A600, 2Mb Chip, 6gb HDD

06 January 2012, 14:44	#21
StevenMarshall Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: EU Age: 36 Posts: 46	origins... the "retro style" The original idea was actually to submit a song, rather than a module. That way a user loads a song which then loads samples off the ST-01 disk. The "retro style". That was original thought for this game/competition. (Unfortunately Song would be a little bit tricky to play on stand alone player, hence the module in the end.) In other words: let's see what one can compose, rather what one can do in sound design department. Bottom line: The whole accent here is on retro 100%. Original Soundtracker did not have resample function. Last edited by StevenMarshall; 06 January 2012 at 14:56.

06 January 2012, 15:35	#22
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	Resampling is hardly "sound design"

06 January 2012, 16:11	#23
daxb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 565	I is important to make clear rulez. So long it makes no sense to start anything. Make a deadline. For example end of year if you don`t want to make a deadline. Write the rulez down. Incl. samples have to stay original...

06 January 2012, 17:27	#24
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	YEah that's something else: you would have to include the list of samples intended for use. Those ST-XX disks have been tampered with many times. There's no assurance what one has the other one does.

06 January 2012, 17:37	#25
musojon74 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dereham, United Kingdom Age: 39 Posts: 410	Resampling isn't sound design. It's allowing enough note range to compose. Actually I will just compose using samples from st 01 and dump it on my webspace. The. If it doesn't qualify - meh. __________________ Jon www.jonmusic.co.uk Amigas currently owned: Amiga A1200, 130mb RAM, 060/66mhz, 4gb HDD Amiga 1200, 6Mb RAM, 030/42mhz, 4gb HDD Amiga A600, 2Mb Chip, 6gb HDD

06 January 2012, 18:36	#26
mazxim Amiga onanist Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Catania / Italy Posts: 32	Hells calls hell. May Olof Gustafsson's soul be with you! It is expected nothing than awesomeness (it's still something unexplained to me how that guy made that Pinball Fantasies's intro without FL Studio..)

07 January 2012, 17:36	#30
StevenMarshall Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: EU Age: 36 Posts: 46	Ok, i've just tried the old Soundtracker and.... OMG. Near impossible to work after getting used to Protracker and all the commands and UI. So i guess we'll shift to the Protracker and resampling as an allowed option. Taper (small fade in/out) at the sample ends to smooth out the (clicky) loop should be allowed too. Last edited by StevenMarshall; 07 January 2012 at 17:44.

08 January 2012, 12:18	#31
daxb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 565	Suggestion: If someone edit samples then he/she has to write it in the sample text for easy check. E.g. smp #5 removed click. Btw. I can`t download the zip with IBrowse. Can someone lha the samples and put it into TheZone?

21 January 2012, 02:07	#37
gibs Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: france Posts: 932	A preview of what I've just done while I was at the phone tonight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHatqoK-Bt4

21 January 2012, 02:24	#38
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	You're using PT1.3 or Soundtracker? Nice one!

21 January 2012, 03:24	#39
gibs Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: france Posts: 932	Pt2.3d

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