Back With A Vengeance..New Amiga Launcher

[synchro]

Ok a new Amiga Launcher but Legal !!

This is just a lancher demo i would like your opinion on pls....
Started this one last week and its for a specific collection

All the user will need to do is download the games and add them to the games dir.....No roms or configs will need to be added just the games

This will be no more than a kind of mame launcher...but for a specific collection as i stated
But i have a lot to do on this ...Approx 150 menu screens still to go and making the anims takes time...

No install required just download and run..

Need feedback on looks...colours...general menu construction pls

Check it out !! http://www.lastninjachronicles.co.uk/AmigaLauncher.exe

[DDNI]

Haven't looked at it yet, but wanted to say thanks.
It's great that you haven't let the b'stards grind you down

[PaulyQ]

Agree with DDNI 100%.

I'm not one to speak out of turn normally but on this issue I think I speak for a lot of people when I say this - the issue of the former thread (relating to the use of rom image in his launcher) and the "public ticking off" was for me unjustified for somebody who is trying to keep the amiga alive and easy to reach, the files were not hosted on the EAB server so although it was linked from this site, I see no issue.

In addition, I wonder how many files are on the EAB server which still hold copyright??

Double standards and hypocrisy!

@Synchro.. keep on, keeping on

back on topic; TESTING for you mate.

OK, like the interface, but I feel that you are still going to miss out on the netbook install without an adjustable and dynamic interface that resizes (yup, I'm harping back to the other launchers).

I can't use this or any of your other launchers on my netbook as your interface just loves to be big. Is there no way to make the interface relative rather than hard coded (much like webpages... oooh.. theres an idea, use a browser with an interface and throw command lines to the program?)

Colours are spot on, nice clear interface for desktop and laptops, netbook version will need some resizing. still love the idea though, good luck with the rest of it if you need testers etc, feel free to contact me.

[Graham Humphrey]

Originally Posted by PaulyQ

Agree with DDNI 100%.

I'm not one to speak out of turn normally but on this issue I think I speak for a lot of people when I say this - the issue of the former thread (relating to the use of rom image in his launcher) and the "public ticking off" was for me unjustified for somebody who is trying to keep the amiga alive and easy to reach, the files were not hosted on the EAB server so although it was linked from this site, I see no issue.

In addition, I wonder how many files are on the EAB server which still hold copyright??

Double standards and hypocrisy!

http://eab.abime.net/faq.php?faq=eab..._ks_wb_faqitem

It's in the rules and has been probably from day one. Sorry, but if something is still being sold and the copyright/licence holder does not take too kindly to their products being distributed then we don't have much choice, even if it's only linked as we (and the person's site in question) can still get into trouble for it. It doesn't mean we like it being this way, that's just how it is (and this has been discussed a million times before). It's nothing personal.

As for your comment regarding the EAB server, why not check it before making such a statement? As it is it just looks like you're throwing your toys out of the pram for no reason. If you do find any such files while thoroughly checking it (because you'll want to do so to back up your comments, of course) then by all means let us know and they will be removed.

Otherwise please stick to the facts before deciding to chime in next time. Thanks.

[synchro]

As for your comment regarding the EAB server, why not check it before making such a statement? As it is it just looks like you're throwing your toys out of the pram for no reason. If you do find any such files while thoroughly checking it (because you'll want to do so to back up your comments, of course) then by all means let us know and they will be removed.

Otherwise please stick to the facts before deciding to chime in next time. Thanks.

But PaulyQ may be correct

At a glimpse a Full collection of CD32 Games ? and some CDTV
My opologies if they are now freeware ?

If so i could legally use them..That would help a lot...

Just a note though that this launcher is legal

[Graham Humphrey]

What part of 'STILL SOLD AND SUPPORTED' are you having trouble understanding?

[synchro]

Originally Posted by Graham Humphrey

What part of 'STILL SOLD AND SUPPORTED' are you having trouble understanding?

Dont take that tone with me for starters !!

I said nothing to cause such a defensive reply.

So does that mean i can legally supply them with a free launcher

[DDNI]

Hey! Bitches put your handbags down!!

Sorry if my supportive comment threw this OT.
Back OT I am testing now.

[synchro]

Originally Posted by DDNI

Hey! Bitches put your handbags down!!

Sorry if my supportive comment threw this OT.
Back OT I am testing now.

Well what does he expect

I did put " My opologies if they are now freeware ? "
Maybe CD32 were freely distributable and i was unaware of this....In fact by what Graham states i may be able to make a CD32 Launcher...users would only have to pop a cd32 rom in the dir

Your Feedback will be appreciated....Thanks DDNI

[TheCyberDruid]

Originally Posted by synchro

Dont take that tone with me for starters !!

I said nothing to cause such a defensive reply.

So does that mean i can legally supply them with a free launcher

I think if you read the section of the rules that Graham linked to properly, there would be no need for an argument here. All Workbench disks and Kickstarts are a 100% no-go, same with software that is still sold 'first hand'. Everything else is 'tolerated'. If someone holds the rights to a software and asks us to remove it, we will do so and not allow it to be uploaded to the zone or the file server either.

In regard to your launcher : Where do I have to put which files? Seems like it's a 'standalone' exe, so any instructions for it to actually work?

@PaulyQ
Again, reading the rules is even in your join email, so why don't you do it next time before talking bollocks?

[synchro]

Everything else is 'tolerated'. If someone holds the rights to a software and asks us to remove it, we will do so and not allow it to be uploaded to the zone or the file server either.

Thats all Graham had to say...Nothing in my post deserved.... What part of BLAH BLAH dont you understand ( Even now thats winding me up )

I had no beef till that point..I had my say back to him and forgot about it as you can see in the post after.

The launcher is just a demo executable for looks and if you guys like the anim ideas etc..The proper version is an installer like the 64 one i made....Once installed just copy the game collection straight into the games Directory...The launcher itself will not contain any kickstarts or anything illegal so it can be freely distributable. Bit like a mame launcher..

Its a specific collection like i said ( Not your usual ADF) but i know i cant put the link to the site here. Once you see the final version a quick look on google will find them in seconds

PS...Naked pics of your wives may sway me though JUST KIDDING !!!!!! Just trying to lighten the mood

[TheCyberDruid]

Okay, fair enough.

I kinda see why Graham got a bit blunt though. It's a rather short paragraph to read and it clearly says what's allowed and what's not. Just my two cents.

On another note (and to make this post at least somewhat constructive ) : Why don't you make your launcher use ADFs (and not those fishy exes which contain dodgy stuff) and just make the user copy the KS files over once? Surely that would be a much easier and more flexible way to get people to use it?

[synchro]

TheCyberDruid...

This menu is being made for a group ( i think your aware of who by the sound of it ) I offered to make them one as it was so easy in this case just point the menu to the exe's so this is a seperate project really. I have never seen them before...Are they not popular then ?

Making an adf version for those who prefer is not a problem i was working on one b4 this anyway and if you like the menu format i can stick with it making it easier for me....I just need to make the "setting up" as you stated easier to keep it a legal launcher and user friendly

Got lots on now...Im Buzzing

[PaulyQ]

@PaulyQ
Again, reading the rules is even in your join email, so why don't you do it next time before talking bollocks?

I read rules, I know things are tolerated, please do not insult my intelligence, but there was no need for for a personal attack, your a global mod and this is bang out of order!!

I'm not going to flame for no reason, I just think that instead of chastising a member in public (which was wrong), a better way to do it would have been to offer a solution to his problem, and on top of that it could have been done via PM.

I am not a child and don't like being spoken to like a pleb, I know what is on the server and although "tolerated" it doesn't make it right. Never knew Lightwave 5 was free, so I'm not talking bollocks, you just need to check the server before having a go at me about copyright material!!

Really sorry to go OT but this needed to be said.

Synchro, I'm not trying to hijack this thread at all, the "loader" works well for what you have done so far and I would like to offer my support in anyway I can to get this up and running, would love to know what SDK you are using and how it works to help further this and other projects. If Forever Amiga can do it and make money, you never know a good front end like this could do wonders!!

'STILL SOLD AND SUPPORTED'

2 wrongs don't make a right - Igonorance is not a defence in the eyes of the law!! Copyright is copyright.

ergo.... Lightwave is copyrighted, WB is copyrighted, KS is copyrighted................. where is the line drawn??

[Graham Humphrey]

Originally Posted by PaulyQ

but there was no need for for a personal attack, your a global mod and this is bang out of order!!

As opposed to accusing the mods of double standards and hypocrisy with no evidence other than what you 'think', which, of course, is perfectly acceptable.

I'm not going to flame for no reason, I just think that instead of chastising a member in public (which was wrong), a better way to do it would have been to offer a solution to his problem, and on top of that it could have been done via PM.

Okay. So why not say that in the first place then, instead of talking about copyright and all that stuff when that is not your actual issue?

I am not a child and don't like being spoken to like a pleb

Well don't throw your toys out of the pram in the most embarrassing manner possible then.

Never knew Lightwave 5 was free

So where can you still buy it? If you can buy it anywhere and/or you know the copyright holders object to this being distributed and can prove it, by all means post in the File Server section and it will be looked at. I trust you are not doing this, for example, as a desperate attempt to justify your first post and this was the best you could do.

so I'm not talking bollocks

Er, yes you are. And TCD approves every single upload to the File Server, I believe, so if something does break our rules then they will be deleted. Of course, we are all human and something can be genuinely missed in error so by all means point this out if so.

ergo.... Lightwave is copyrighted, WB is copyrighted, KS is copyrighted................. where is the line drawn??

Er, if the products are still being sold, or if the copyright holders decide they don't want their products to be distributed. Pretty simple I would have thought. A very, very small number do object. They are our rules and it's as simple as that. This has all been discussed loads of times so why not do a search on the subject.

While I'm here -

@synchro

I repsonded the way I did because, due to the way you opened your post, I believed you were trying to back up PaulyQ's initial rant. If this was not your intention then I apologise for coming across harshly.

Anyway, no more OT posts now please. Any further disruption of a worthwhile subject will be deleted without warning.

[johnim]

@synchro

this looks great mate keep up the good work

adfs would be a nice addon too or even both could be used

john

[TheCyberDruid]

Originally Posted by PaulyQ

Never knew Lightwave 5 was free, so I'm not talking bollocks, you just need to check the server before having a go at me about copyright material!!

Okay, were is Lightwave 5 still being sold? I think your 'go' was totally uncalled for here. The reason is that WB and KS is clearly not allowed and if you think something else needs to be removed you could always ask via PM or directly here on the forum. If you're not a child, think twice before you post 'Double standards and hypocrisy!' next time.

[PaulyQ]

it wasn't a "go", was just my persepective.

"if you think something else needs to be removed you could always ask via PM or directly here on the forum" - agreed, never asked for anything to be removed but agree the point.

"If you're not a child, think twice before you post 'Double standards and hypocrisy!' next time." - I won't be drawn into argument/flame war on this, neither the time or the place.


Everything has an equal and opposite reaction, it's what makes the world go round, if I have offended anybody that was not the intention, all I was doing was pointing out facts as I see them which I am entited to do.

[TheCyberDruid]

Right, so mind pointing out where Lightwave 5 is still sold?

Oh and about that 'flame war' : That's why I mention that everybody should rethink before posting something that will cause a reaction.

[synchro]

Hmm ok lets see if we can clear this one up...

I think the problem here is a misunderstanding of what EAB allow and what they dont and i got confused initally as well.

When i first read PaulyQ's post i didnt absorb it but did look on the EAB server and the first thing i saw was a collection of CD32 games. My response was posting.."PaulyQ may be right" which Graham read as support but it was more written as surprise...Perhaps i should have written...( OMG !! PaulyQ may be right )

This was because i read the link graham left and it said... "It is illegal to distribute kickstart ROMs or Workbench disks " but i saw the invisible words Games and ADF's as well...Honest

Of course it does not mention them at all !! ....And as TheCyberdruid stated they are tolerated....as in they are no longer supported or sold...

PaulyQ..In your Defence yes for example Alien breed does have a copyright there can be no denying that but it is not supported or sold and if the owner wishes it removed they will do so....The magic word here was TOLERATED

I dont think of it as Hypocrisy though just rules with a bit of give and take thrown in....I misread the rules and made my own assumpsions maybe you did slightly as well...Now i understand them better there is more leaway than i thought so its not so bad....Take a moment...have a think...its all got way over the top now.

Dont get me wrong either....I think all roms etc should be free for all of us...we put in our time and supported the amiga till the end....Restrictions on 20 year old machines is stupid we are all trying to keep it alive....But i cant Blame EAB for that...Their hands are tied as well

BTW..Thanks for all the photos Guys...

[r0ber7]

I would love to see a free download for an Amiga launcher one day. Perhaps it could use AROS? I'm not that knowledgeable about the copyright stuff, too bad that seems to be a problem. An easy launcher would save me the trouble of rewriting my game code (which I plan to do one day, but first I finish the Amiga version). Then again, I might go straight to Java for that.

Anyway, good luck!

[Arnie]

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

In regard to your launcher : Where do I have to put which files? Seems like it's a 'standalone' exe, so any instructions for it to actually work?

I second that, I can't exit the launcher and I get a "Adobe flash player is not installed" message when I click on Games?

[synchro]

Hi Arnie....

Strange you cant exit the launcher what os do you have.....as for the Adobeflash warning just install the latest version from adobe and that should rectify that.

[Arnie]

I'm using Widows 7 and I already have Adobe Flash player 10.3.183.7 installed. Do I need ActiveX?

[synchro]

Ok wierd....Could you try my c64 version...see if exit works on that ??

http://www.lastninjachronicles.co.uk/C64XLauncher.exe

[PaulyQ]

OK, made a bit of a deal about things, just a bit passionate at times.

@Synchro... gonna check new version for u

[Arnie]

Hi Synchro, the C64xLauncher works ok. I tried starting the AmigaLauncher with admin privileges but it still wont exit. Pressing left alt and escape brings up the taskbar but I still can't close the window.

Edit: Can exit if I click on Exit and then click on the pull down menu on the upper right hand corner?

[synchro]

Originally Posted by PaulyQ

OK, made a bit of a deal about things, just a bit passionate at times.

@Synchro... gonna check new version for u

No worries mate...Like i said for a second there to my surprise thought you were right !!.....
But once reading through the lot properly i realised it was not the case but it looks to me EAB's rules are giving enough leaway to stay just on the borderline...
I would rather have the CD32 games available for access than not be there at all...In fact anything they can get away with is fine by me

As for a big deal about things you saw it as you saw it and there are some forums i know of you would be absolutly correct..

I will look into the netbook thing see exactly whats going on later today...i have one here now to try

Edit: Can exit if I click on Exit and then click on the pull down menu on the upper right hand corner?

Ok thats just weird!! ...Especially if the c64 version works...Gonna have to let me think on that one ?

Just a stab in the dark here......Your from earth right and have one of our PC's

[Arnie]

Ok, got it working with Vista. Now where do I put the games or the launcher for the games to load?

Just a stab in the back here......does this launcher actually work?

[synchro]

I hate to tell you this arnie but as my very first post stated ...

This is just a lancher demo i would like your opinion on pls....
Started this one last week and its for a specific collection

It is only a preview of the menu ...But tell ya what give me a little more time today and i will email you a link to a working demo and anyone else that wants one...Still a bit confused though....im on windows 7 as well ?


BTW....Whats your favorite Amiga game

[Arnie]

Ahh, I see, a demo, got it now

I think there is something not right with my Windows 7 so I wouldn't worry about it too much

My fave games are Ruffian, Superfrog, DeluxePacman, Flashback, AnotherWorld & AB3D to name a few.

[synchro]

Flashback, AnotherWorld & AB3D to name a few.

Great choices !!

They are already on the workable demo

[PaulyQ]

with regards the netbook... could u make the gui 800x600? it could then fit most netbooks including widescreen jobbies like mine.

[synchro]

Ok who wants to try this workable demo...20 pages but more games than you think....IE launch alien breed and you get to chose which game from the whole Alien Breed collection !!

F12 is config and Quit from the game...

Still W.I.P though dont forget.

If you want to try it your gonna have to PM me your Emails and i will Email you a link from myself Not Via PM
A bit long winded i know but this way there should be no problems

NOTE !! There is a slight delay when executing a game so give it a second....Im working on a loading messege within the menu

[PaulyQ]

PM sent

[synchro]

Originally Posted by PaulyQ

PM sent

Email with link sent

[PaulyQ]

OK, liking it so far, would it be possible to have 1 page with a list of thumbnails so you could just poit and click as well? Sort of an "All Games" page..... the reason, you have to scroll all the way along the list to play certain games, fair enough no problem here, just thinking out loud for possible complete newbs.

[johnim]

PM sent

[synchro]

Email sent

[Amiga Forever]

Will I buying FIFA 12? Nope

Will I buying PRO EVO Soccer 12? Nope

I cant wait to get my hand on the Greatest Game on Earth....

SWOS 2011 thanks to Amiga Launcher(I am looking forward to it )