Virtual PC

madduck · 15 August 2002, 23:04

have you ever tried connectix virtual PC
that program rocks; you should try...
well no amiga

Drake1009 · 15 August 2002, 23:20

I looked at it and decided that though it looked nice I didn't really want to pay to be able to play my old dos games when Dosbox (http://dosbox.zophar.net) seems to be aiming to do that whenever it gets around to it. Then there's bochs which will allow you to do the same, just for free and probably more system intensive as it emulates the x86 processor.

I tried Connectix playstation emulator, and next to bleem it has got to be the worst emulator I've seen, so I'm not sure how well their virtualPC will run.

Akira · 15 August 2002, 23:30

Ohh great! You can run all those henious OSes at the same time on an awful PC!

Drake1009 · 15 August 2002, 23:33

Yes isn't it great Akira? Imagine the ad campaign.

"If XP should happen to leave you with some free memory why not let Windows 2K take care of the rest for you. No more need to find some program to slurp up resources. No more need to have 1 crashing OS running. Now with Connectix virtualPC you can have as many OSes crashing simultaneously as you want."

Pure stroke of genius.

-In which environment do you want to crash today?

Fred the Fop · 15 August 2002, 23:56

I have it for my Mac running Xp. Funny how Windows XP is MORE stable on my iBook than on my PC

Akira · 16 August 2002, 01:07

Quote:

Originally posted by Drake1009
"If XP should happen to leave you with some free memory why not let Windows 2K take care of the rest for you. No more need to find some program to slurp up resources. No more need to have 1 crashing OS running. Now with Connectix virtualPC you can have as many OSes crashing simultaneously as you want."

Bwahahahahaha

16 August 2002, 06:59

For all of the following, the target was Microprose Soccer (since that's the only PC disk sitting in front of me). I want to test DOS emulation. If you want to use Windows on Windows (eg. 9x on 2k), the results may be better, but I'm only interested in getting DOS programs working.

Commercial Full Version : Connectix Virtual PC 5 - Bombs back to Windows
Commercial Full Version : VMWare Workstation 3.1 - Bombs back to Windows
xxxxxxware : DOSBox - Yet to try....I'll wait until the emulation progresses some more
xxxxxxware : Bochs - Can't remember, but sucked if memory serves correctly

Verdict..They all suck at the moment. If they can't run a shit game like Microprose Soccer, how the hell will they handle newer games.
If you want to play DOS games, pick up a DOS box for cheap

I would like to hear how they perform, with for example, Windows 98 on a Windows 2000/XP machine....Compatibility with games/software (softice anyone?

)

Akira · 16 August 2002, 07:29

Have you tried MESS? I think it emulates an old PC.

jmmijo · 16 August 2002, 07:47

I've treid Bochs, it's geared towards the techhead like me, but even I gave up tweaking it to gain more speed, it's slow as hell and this is on an Athlon XP 2000+ machine

As for Virtual PC, I've tried out v4.xx and it seemed to be much faster then Bochs was and not as much tweaking involved. All I did however was to create a virtual 1GB hard file, format it and install MS-DOS 6.22 which worked just fine.

Moral of the story, well I've not tried them all out either but since I have a dedicated DOS box for just playing old dos games, well this is good enough for me. It's nice having a KVM switchbox to connect all these machines to one monitor, keyboard and mouse

Drake1009 · 16 August 2002, 08:23

I don't have room for a dedicated dos box around here. Already had to take my C128 away from connection.

jmmijo · 16 August 2002, 08:38

Well I'm lucky then, I have the entire second floor to myself, two bedrooms and a bath

One bedroom is used for sleeping and my PC's and the other for my sanctuary, the Amiga's and other CBM machines, oh and my MAC clone is in there too

Unknown_K · 16 August 2002, 08:42

I have my main game rig in my room (along with the consoles), all the other computers are in the basement and I still need more room.

I have virtual pc 5 but never bothered to run it because I have a DOS box anyway. I always say if you can get/make room for/ and afford the original system they buy it and use it for games. If you cant or dont have it yet then an EMU is your other option.

Akira · 16 August 2002, 08:47

Took this info off MESS' site. Perhaps you can runs some stuff with it?

Quote:

IBM AT
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extended IBM PC

Mess Emulation State
--------------------
basically the same as ibmpc emulation
rough emulation of keyboard controller
rough emulation of keyboard
rough emulation of dma chips
rough emulation of pic chips
incomplete emulation of cpu
no support for high density disks
no support for at harddisks
needs i80286 v1.5

Quote:

IBM PC
------
the grandfather of the now common personal computer

Mess Emulation State
--------------------
rough emulation of the keyboard controller
rough emulation of the pic chip
rough emulation of the dma chip
no emulation of the tape drive
mono display adapter emulated
color graphics adapter emulated
hercules graphics adapter emulated
rough ega/vga emulation
1 floppy disk controller emulated
1 harddisk controller emulated
rough emulation of up to 4 serial ports emulated
rough emulation up to 3 parallel ports emulated
1 serial mouse emulated
rough emulation of 1 game port and its 2 joysticks

Quote:

IBM PC Junior
-------------
enhanced IBM PC for home use

Mess Emulation State
--------------------
basically the same as mess ibmpc emulation
pc junior graphics emulated
pc junior sound emulated
work stopped until complete bios roms are available

16 August 2002, 11:51

Revised test of Virtual PC

Installed Windows 98 onto a virtual hard disk on Virtual PC
Windows runs flawlessly
DOS4GW games run flawlessly
The DOS games that I tested run flawlessly (didn't test Microprose Soccer since that doesn't even work on a real Win98 machine)
Games that wouldn't run in Win2k run flawlessly (ie. Road Rash)

Verdict: A great emulator. If you want to run Pure DOS, don't bother. If you're up for emulating Windows, this is a great emulator to do it with. Since it sits on top of an already existing windows/mac installation, it's better than VMWare, which loads stuff before Windows starts (if I recall correctly)

Next to test:

- Virtual PC running SoftICE : I'm deliberately trying to make Virtual PC die in this case, but if it succeeds, I will be royally impressed.
- Virtual PC running a non MS OS : Possibly OS/2. Possibly NetBSD

16 August 2002, 13:02

Next test (have yet to install SoftIce....probably won't do this anytime soon since it requires me disabling it in Win2k...this requires a reboot....f**k that)

Emulation on emulation : This test aims to see how well I can emulate within Virtual PC's emulation. The target app is MAME running Street Fighter 2.

Result : Fantastic. The emulation was great. See below

turk182 · 16 August 2002, 23:41

I must admit I was sceptical too (about Virtual PC), but I managed to get a dos hardrive image ,and now I can play Duke nukem again & Blood and some really old shit with hardly any slowdown...it really is clever stuff.I installed linux onto another vhd and that works a treat too (I have the bootblock wrighting of lilo et al ,but this completely went round it

,
Maybe I can drag out the old dos uae to see how far things have come with it since?

Shatterhand · 17 August 2002, 05:41

Win 2K can't run ROAD RASH?

Road Rash is a Win32 app, goddamn!

Damn, Microsoft should learn something about "Backwards compatibility" ....

17 August 2002, 12:12

Quote:

Originally posted by Amigaboy
Next test (have yet to install SoftIce....probably won't do this anytime soon since it requires me disabling it in Win2k...this requires a reboot....f**k that)

Installed in Win95 but doesn't work

17 August 2002, 12:29

SoftICE does work with Win9x. I just want to test to see if Virtual PC can handle it

17 August 2002, 13:36

Yes, I know it. I installed it in a W95 Virtual PC slave. Also Gametools debugger doesn't work.

17 August 2002, 14:16

oh. ok.

Thanks for doing that bit of testing
I expected it to die

CPC464 · 17 August 2002, 17:52

I installed it, looked at it, tested it and Uninstalled it

I think it's a great concept

But I found that certain progs didn't run properly

§ane · 18 August 2002, 01:38

Kick ass software!

Click here for a full-sized screenshot.

Both emulators are actually frame for frame in sync, but one is lagging behind a smidgeon.

Unknown_K · 18 August 2002, 03:34

How is the sound on those games played using an emulator on an emulator?

Fred the Fop · 18 August 2002, 10:01

Mods..sorry to be an annoying prick, but this is an excellent thread and should not die. Anyway, will someoen answer me this:
I have Windows XP. I now can no longer run my fave old flight sims or my holy gaming grail, Panzer General. Will this virtual PC program let me run old DOS games? Can it emulate Win 95?

§ane · 18 August 2002, 10:24

Quote:

Originally posted by Unknown_K
How is the sound on those games played using an emulator on an emulator?

On average I can pull off 40FPS with WinUAE under a Virtual PC, and as for the sound, well it breaks up a lot. No support for (Direct)3D acceleration unfortunately. I'm gonna try playing a DVD later.

Quote:

Originally posted by Frederic
Mods..sorry to be an annoying prick, but this is an excellent thread and should not die. Anyway, will someoen answer me this:
I have Windows XP. I now can no longer run my fave old flight sims or my holy gaming grail, Panzer General. Will this virtual PC program let me run old DOS games? Can it emulate Win 95?

It sure can, Frederic! It's a fully feldged PC, you can install and run almost any OS you desire. This is part of my reason for installing Windows 98, I want to play old DOS based and Win9x games.

This is great! I can test (ad)(spy)ware, and even viruses while sharing my development environment without fear of endangering my host system!

I'm running this Operating System off my RAM drive - it's lightning fast, of course being only a temporary drive I must back it up often. I use WinRAR for this purpose, and Windows 98 can be compressed down to a mere 90MB!

Unknown_K · 18 August 2002, 10:55

I dusted off my Northgate Omnikey /102 keyboard and braught my 486/160 dos box to my room. Funny I just got done playing Panzer general from start to french campaign.. great game.

I would get really pissed running an emulator that crackled. I will be trying virtual PC 5 on my g3 upgraded 8500 mac sometime in the coming week after I reformat it and instal os 9.1. Just to test it out.

Does the amiga emulator run best on a powermac or a pc? I want to start playing the cd32 games I have downloaded.

P-J · 15 March 2003, 18:21

Quote:

Originally posted by Frederic
I have it for my Mac running Xp. Funny how Windows XP is MORE stable on my iBook than on my PC

In theory Windows XP through Virtual PC should be equally stable on on any machine.

jmmijo · 15 March 2003, 18:59

As a side note, this reads like MS purchased the Virtual PC products from Connectix rather then the actual company. But please if I'm reading this wrong, let me know

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...artitionPR.asp

Akira · 15 March 2003, 23:23

I heard this from a friend the other day. Fucking nice innit?

Belgarath · 15 March 2003, 23:33

M$ seem keen to promote VPC though unlike Sony and VGS...

CPC464 · 18 March 2003, 00:45

I do have this program and must admit I liked it, however after the disaster with win95, the terribleness of Win ME and the crap that XP causes my PC I think I will just stick with Good Old Windows 98SE.

Unless we all fall backwards and they decide to bring back DOS

Pitty they can't make a virtual Emulator proggy, one that combines all calsses of old retro machines

18 March 2003, 01:18

Quote:

Originally posted by CPC464
Pitty they can't make a virtual Emulator proggy, one that combines all calsses of old retro machines

Like M.E.S.S.?

Marcuz · 18 March 2003, 12:48

i would like to have a kind of virtual mac, beside the not so pratic mac-skins for windowblinds and the inutile mac-bar application on top...

kriz · 18 March 2003, 13:04

like http://www.maconlinux.org/

))

cv643d · 18 March 2003, 15:06

Interesting thread. This is how I do to play the good old games on the PC. Im running a secondary harddrive on my Linux computer. With VMWare I am able to run mostly all DOS games I have missed in fullscreen from that harddrive. Nice and elegant.
If I want to add games I just do that from the Linux side after mounting the DOS-harddrive.

adolescent · 19 March 2003, 05:42

Quote:

Originally posted by kriz
like http://www.maconlinux.org/ ))

MacOnLinux is not an emulator and only runs on Linux/PPC unfortunately. I'll give it a try once the AmigaOne G4 is available.

15 August 2002, 23:04	#1
madduck Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Izmir / Turkey Age: 26 Posts: 40	Virtual PC have you ever tried connectix virtual PC that program rocks; you should try... well no amiga anyway http://www.connectix.com Attached Thumbnails

16 August 2002, 13:02	#15
Amigaboy Posts: n/a	Next test (have yet to install SoftIce....probably won't do this anytime soon since it requires me disabling it in Win2k...this requires a reboot....f**k that) Emulation on emulation : This test aims to see how well I can emulate within Virtual PC's emulation. The target app is MAME running Street Fighter 2. Result : Fantastic. The emulation was great. See below Attached Thumbnails

16 August 2002, 23:41	#16
turk182 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: london Age: 39 Posts: 187	I must admit I was sceptical too (about Virtual PC), but I managed to get a dos hardrive image ,and now I can play Duke nukem again & Blood and some really old shit with hardly any slowdown...it really is clever stuff.I installed linux onto another vhd and that works a treat too (I have the bootblock wrighting of lilo et al ,but this completely went round it, Maybe I can drag out the old dos uae to see how far things have come with it since?

18 August 2002, 01:38	#23
§ane Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: . Age: 33 Posts: 246	Kick ass software! Click here for a full-sized screenshot. Both emulators are actually frame for frame in sync, but one is lagging behind a smidgeon. Attached Thumbnails

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15 August 2002, 23:20	#2
Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	I looked at it and decided that though it looked nice I didn't really want to pay to be able to play my old dos games when Dosbox (http://dosbox.zophar.net) seems to be aiming to do that whenever it gets around to it. Then there's bochs which will allow you to do the same, just for free and probably more system intensive as it emulates the x86 processor. I tried Connectix playstation emulator, and next to bleem it has got to be the worst emulator I've seen, so I'm not sure how well their virtualPC will run.

15 August 2002, 23:30	#3
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	Ohh great! You can run all those henious OSes at the same time on an awful PC!

15 August 2002, 23:33	#4
Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	Yes isn't it great Akira? Imagine the ad campaign. "If XP should happen to leave you with some free memory why not let Windows 2K take care of the rest for you. No more need to find some program to slurp up resources. No more need to have 1 crashing OS running. Now with Connectix virtualPC you can have as many OSes crashing simultaneously as you want." Pure stroke of genius. -In which environment do you want to crash today?

15 August 2002, 23:56	#5
Fred the Fop flaming faggot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Versailles Age: 44 Posts: 2,794	I have it for my Mac running Xp. Funny how Windows XP is MORE stable on my iBook than on my PC

16 August 2002, 06:59	#7
Amigaboy Posts: n/a	For all of the following, the target was Microprose Soccer (since that's the only PC disk sitting in front of me). I want to test DOS emulation. If you want to use Windows on Windows (eg. 9x on 2k), the results may be better, but I'm only interested in getting DOS programs working. Commercial Full Version : Connectix Virtual PC 5 - Bombs back to Windows Commercial Full Version : VMWare Workstation 3.1 - Bombs back to Windows xxxxxxware : DOSBox - Yet to try....I'll wait until the emulation progresses some more xxxxxxware : Bochs - Can't remember, but sucked if memory serves correctly Verdict..They all suck at the moment. If they can't run a shit game like Microprose Soccer, how the hell will they handle newer games. If you want to play DOS games, pick up a DOS box for cheap I would like to hear how they perform, with for example, Windows 98 on a Windows 2000/XP machine....Compatibility with games/software (softice anyone? )

16 August 2002, 07:29	#8
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	Have you tried MESS? I think it emulates an old PC.

16 August 2002, 07:47	#9
jmmijo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PDX Age: 51 Posts: 2,338	I've treid Bochs, it's geared towards the techhead like me, but even I gave up tweaking it to gain more speed, it's slow as hell and this is on an Athlon XP 2000+ machine As for Virtual PC, I've tried out v4.xx and it seemed to be much faster then Bochs was and not as much tweaking involved. All I did however was to create a virtual 1GB hard file, format it and install MS-DOS 6.22 which worked just fine. Moral of the story, well I've not tried them all out either but since I have a dedicated DOS box for just playing old dos games, well this is good enough for me. It's nice having a KVM switchbox to connect all these machines to one monitor, keyboard and mouse

16 August 2002, 08:23	#10
Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	I don't have room for a dedicated dos box around here. Already had to take my C128 away from connection.

16 August 2002, 08:38	#11
jmmijo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PDX Age: 51 Posts: 2,338	Well I'm lucky then, I have the entire second floor to myself, two bedrooms and a bath One bedroom is used for sleeping and my PC's and the other for my sanctuary, the Amiga's and other CBM machines, oh and my MAC clone is in there too

16 August 2002, 08:42	#12
Unknown_K Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio/USA Age: 44 Posts: 1,367	I have my main game rig in my room (along with the consoles), all the other computers are in the basement and I still need more room. I have virtual pc 5 but never bothered to run it because I have a DOS box anyway. I always say if you can get/make room for/ and afford the original system they buy it and use it for games. If you cant or dont have it yet then an EMU is your other option.

16 August 2002, 11:51	#14
Amigaboy Posts: n/a	Revised test of Virtual PC Installed Windows 98 onto a virtual hard disk on Virtual PC Windows runs flawlessly DOS4GW games run flawlessly The DOS games that I tested run flawlessly (didn't test Microprose Soccer since that doesn't even work on a real Win98 machine) Games that wouldn't run in Win2k run flawlessly (ie. Road Rash) Verdict: A great emulator. If you want to run Pure DOS, don't bother. If you're up for emulating Windows, this is a great emulator to do it with. Since it sits on top of an already existing windows/mac installation, it's better than VMWare, which loads stuff before Windows starts (if I recall correctly) Next to test: - Virtual PC running SoftICE : I'm deliberately trying to make Virtual PC die in this case, but if it succeeds, I will be royally impressed. - Virtual PC running a non MS OS : Possibly OS/2. Possibly NetBSD

17 August 2002, 05:41	#17
Shatterhand Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Brazil Age: 30 Posts: 1,637	Win 2K can't run ROAD RASH? Road Rash is a Win32 app, goddamn! Damn, Microsoft should learn something about "Backwards compatibility" ....

17 August 2002, 12:29	#19
Amigaboy Posts: n/a	SoftICE does work with Win9x. I just want to test to see if Virtual PC can handle it

17 August 2002, 13:36	#20
Uukrul Posts: n/a	Yes, I know it. I installed it in a W95 Virtual PC slave. Also Gametools debugger doesn't work.

17 August 2002, 14:16	#21
Amigaboy Posts: n/a	oh. ok. Thanks for doing that bit of testing I expected it to die

17 August 2002, 17:52	#22
CPC464 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: York Age: 43 Posts: 393	I installed it, looked at it, tested it and Uninstalled it I think it's a great concept But I found that certain progs didn't run properly

18 August 2002, 03:34	#24
Unknown_K Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio/USA Age: 44 Posts: 1,367	How is the sound on those games played using an emulator on an emulator?

18 August 2002, 10:01	#25
Fred the Fop flaming faggot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Versailles Age: 44 Posts: 2,794	Mods..sorry to be an annoying prick, but this is an excellent thread and should not die. Anyway, will someoen answer me this: I have Windows XP. I now can no longer run my fave old flight sims or my holy gaming grail, Panzer General. Will this virtual PC program let me run old DOS games? Can it emulate Win 95?

18 August 2002, 10:55	#27
Unknown_K Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio/USA Age: 44 Posts: 1,367	I dusted off my Northgate Omnikey /102 keyboard and braught my 486/160 dos box to my room. Funny I just got done playing Panzer general from start to french campaign.. great game. I would get really pissed running an emulator that crackled. I will be trying virtual PC 5 on my g3 upgraded 8500 mac sometime in the coming week after I reformat it and instal os 9.1. Just to test it out. Does the amiga emulator run best on a powermac or a pc? I want to start playing the cd32 games I have downloaded.

15 March 2003, 18:59	#29
jmmijo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PDX Age: 51 Posts: 2,338	As a side note, this reads like MS purchased the Virtual PC products from Connectix rather then the actual company. But please if I'm reading this wrong, let me know http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...artitionPR.asp

15 March 2003, 23:23	#30
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	I heard this from a friend the other day. Fucking nice innit?

15 March 2003, 23:33	#31
Belgarath HOL Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Here Posts: 2,135	M$ seem keen to promote VPC though unlike Sony and VGS...

18 March 2003, 00:45	#32
CPC464 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: York Age: 43 Posts: 393	I do have this program and must admit I liked it, however after the disaster with win95, the terribleness of Win ME and the crap that XP causes my PC I think I will just stick with Good Old Windows 98SE. Unless we all fall backwards and they decide to bring back DOS Pitty they can't make a virtual Emulator proggy, one that combines all calsses of old retro machines

18 March 2003, 12:48	#34
Marcuz Wurk??? Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 37 Posts: 4,738	i would like to have a kind of virtual mac, beside the not so pratic mac-skins for windowblinds and the inutile mac-bar application on top...

18 March 2003, 13:04	#35
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 31 Posts: 2,201	like http://www.maconlinux.org/ ))

18 March 2003, 15:06	#36
cv643d Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Stockholm/Sweden Age: 35 Posts: 704	Interesting thread. This is how I do to play the good old games on the PC. Im running a secondary harddrive on my Linux computer. With VMWare I am able to run mostly all DOS games I have missed in fullscreen from that harddrive. Nice and elegant. If I want to add games I just do that from the Linux side after mounting the DOS-harddrive.

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