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Old 06 April 2011, 22:54   #21
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i have found i have a larger fail rate with 3.5" floppies over my c64 5.25' ones.

odd.
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Old 06 April 2011, 23:41   #22
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and you don't want to know about the tapes over the 3.5 floppies or even the 3" ones.

Tapes are passing the test of time WAY better than the floppy disks.....
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Old 06 April 2011, 23:56   #23
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i have found i have a larger fail rate with 3.5" floppies over my c64 5.25' ones.

odd.
This hardly odd. It is only to be expected when the information is recorded more densely on 3-inch than on 5-inch media.
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Old 07 April 2011, 01:18   #24
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Yeah, it's just Dony throwing in the towel on floppies, others will continue to produce them. Worst case, Individual Computers will find someone to do a short run of 10,000 or so and keep selling them for the next 10 years.

I /need/ floppies to play all my trackmos and megademos
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I somehow missed this until now.

This calls for a moment of silence
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Old 07 April 2011, 16:55   #26
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Can you actually buy Amiga disks anywhere today? Disks that will work perfectly in any Amiga drive including those converted HD drives used in the very last A1200's made? I had a quick Google around but couldn't find anything but 720K disks to silly prices, and am not even sure they have the right magnetic goo density or whatever to be safely used on all Amigas.
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Old 07 April 2011, 17:02   #27
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720k disks are the same double-density (DD) ones as 880k, the file system used on PCs just leaves less space available.
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Old 07 April 2011, 19:11   #28
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3.5 inch floppies are not 720KB, 880KB or 1.44MB:

Double sided, double density: 1 megabyte in MFM format.
Double sided, high density: 2 megabytes in MFM format.

On the Amiga, you could actually store 1MB on a DD disk, because the disk drive controller can handle it.

All this assumes you only store the data on the disk, but formatting doesn't take up that much space of a floppy anyway (880KB Amiga file system still doesn't use the entire disk, same for peecee formats).

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3.5 inch floppies are not 720KB, 880KB or 1.44MB:
This may indeed be true, however I heard once (from may be not reliable source), that the PC Formatted '720k' disks were not always as high quality as the Mac (800k) or Amiga (880k) disk.

And let's not forget the ED extra high density disks of 4MB capacity, which really starts to show the crapness of PC formatting - 2.88MB.

I have also used an alternative filesystem on the Amiga disks which gave, I think, 960k!
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This may indeed be true, however I heard once (from may be not reliable source), that the PC Formatted '720k' disks were not always as high quality as the Mac (800k) or Amiga (880k) disk.
Trust me, remember that standard ADF images are 880KB and not 1MB
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Good riddance. Put your data on something much more reliable!

There is 0 need for floppies nowdays!
Perhaps for people who didn't grow up with the Amiga and all the brilliant cracktros & trainers various groups produced..
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If youve got 60 for a Ram upgrade for running games from HD or HxC
Yes floppys are crap but ive just had my first case of CD rot.
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ive just had my first case of CD rot.
Taken out of context that would sound wrong lol.

But in all seriousness which CD rotted away?
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The Doctor said ill be Ok. Its just a Audio-CDR, I dont know how much this Disc rot is just paranoia but the Disc has a strange discoloration - unless someone has left a cup of tea on top of it.
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Old 10 April 2011, 18:06   #35
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I was reading about data rot and it's scary stuff. I knew that my C64 tapes and Amiga disks would someday give up the ghost. But that CD's, DVD's and even my nes carts might get it too
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Going Off-topic -I dont know how well that can be seen but the disc is meant to be blue with those silver stripes, theres a strange yellowing
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Oh yeah. Only time I have ever seen that is with sun damage to the disc. My ex left a copy of diablo 2 next to a window and the bright sun basically turned the disc a strange yellow over the course of a day.

But swinging this back on topic

Whats this going to do to the pricing of floppies in the future? obviously we aren't going to run dry any time soon. But I would presume that with one major manufacturer saying they will stop production it won't take long for others to follow suit. and for some people to bump the pricing up on places like eBay.

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Old 11 April 2011, 16:14   #38
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Was interested to hear about this, though not really surprised.

end of an era and all that.
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Old 11 April 2011, 22:26   #39
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Good riddance. Put your data on something much more reliable!

There is 0 need for floppies nowdays!
I totally agree, floppys can be replaced easily, if you want to keep your amiga alive you know you have to do something because the floppy disks death is near and it will be a reality soon.
It was something that bother me for quite sometime until i bought the HxC Floppy emulator it's the best way to replace them if you don't want to mess around to much with your amiga.
Personally i bought it for my 500, still i kept the floppy drive in my 1200 but i don't use it very much.
I know that most of the guys don't want to spend to much money on the miggys but i think the hxc floppy emulator is worth the money and it's the best solution.
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Old 11 April 2011, 22:55   #40
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I like floppies!!!. I need to hear the clickety of my 500 drive, if not, there is no joy.
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