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Old 09 March 2011, 01:28   #101
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I seem to remember it took Angels 3 releases to get shadow of the beast 2 right. I dont remember any such rule it just hurt your reputation loads if you kept on releasing duffs.
that was the drawback with speed.

I think it took NOMAD three attempts to get Robocop 2 right.
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Old 09 March 2011, 02:08   #102
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I really REALLY hate the term "Piracy" it should be shoved into the annuls along with the word "Abandonware"

What we are really talking about is File Sharing, and not some "media constructed demonetization" to imply "theft" where there was only "infringement". You see, theft implies a Criminal law (prosecuted by the state), where "infringement" is infact Civil Law (prosecuted by the copyright holder(s)).

So lawyers and solicitors have been banging away at this in court for the last 30 years attempting to obfuscate and blur this distinction as much as possible being as it is in their interest to do so.

I am not saying that some people tried selling blagged games / apps back in the day - most people I knew avoided them - these are the REAL pirates.



In my humble opinion, , of all the copying that was done back in the day - I would say a good 90% was just file sharers / disk-swappers - where no (or next to no) financial re-numeration had taken place.



I have always said that some one whom copies your application was unlikely to buy it in the first place. I find it quite annoying when some idiot believes and item copied is a loss in sale, since there is no proof other than a supersistion.

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Is a credulous belief or notion, not based on reason or knowledge. The word is often used pejoratively to refer to folk beliefs deemed irrational. This leads to some superstitions being called "old wives' tales". It is also commonly applied to beliefs and practices surrounding luck, prophecy and spiritual beings, particularly the belief that future events can be foretold by specific unrelated prior events.




yeah.... to be fair, I may have a few issues to work on.....
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Old 09 March 2011, 02:34   #103
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See, [ Show youtube player ] happens to pirates !

Zetr0 , i tryed to click on one of your links you have in your signature (Fantasy amiga x86), didn't work, i then tryed the next one, didn't work, i tryed them all.. only the 2 first worked

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Old 09 March 2011, 05:37   #104
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I have always said that some one whom copies your application was unlikely to buy it in the first place. I find it quite annoying when some idiot believes and item copied is a loss in sale, since there is no proof other than a supersistion.
That was my point earlier. If you never intended to buy something, copied or not how is that a loss?
The argument then is legal use. There is only one way to use it legally and that's bought.
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I completely agree, it winds me up someting cronic when I see the you wouldnt steal a car ad.
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I really REALLY hate the term "Piracy" it should be shoved into the annuls along with the word "Abandonware"
Noooo! 'Piracy' is such a nice word. It's reminds you of 'Yarr' and 'Landlubber' (two other very fine words) and rum. RUM! Don't take piracy away please. I concur it shouldn't be used for copying software though.

Some good points there btw
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Old 09 March 2011, 12:15   #107
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Pirates FTW!

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Old 10 March 2011, 11:34   #108
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Piracy killed the games i played :P

lol.


Maybe piracy could be labed as bad on the AMiga, and that AMiga fans who say "they were to blame", likewise PC users nowadays could say the same thing.

I don't blame Commodore. They were just trying keep the money going.

But thanks to emulation, the Amiga is STILL alive.. in fact, I believe its the only thing thats keeping it that way, otherwise it would have its life line cut when Gateway got in.

Piracy is like child porn, once the cats out of the bag. people, govements etc can do what ever they like to "try" and enforce stuff.

But, honestly. the damage is already done... Its like trying to shut down the Internet...

Were just all ona loosing streak here, and we can all try and educate people not to do piracy, but in all fairness, take time to make better use of the time you have elsewhere... coz at the end of the day... , people are smart, if they want something, there'll go to any lengths to get there.

Sure, it may stop the casual user these sophticated methods, but thats all..

Whithin weeks some brillant mind will crack it and get it .....
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Piracy is like child porn, once the cats out of the bag. people, govements etc can do what ever they like to "try" and enforce stuff.
Do what?? I really cannot see the similarity here, maybe I am blind but child porn is in a different league to piracy, a totally different level of wrong!

I think you are saying the governments cannot stop child porn, so they cannot stop piracy. In the same breathe they cannot stop burglaries, robberies, murders, muggings, TV licence fraud, car insurance fraud etc..


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yep... its what i meant.... the point was still "They can't stop it"
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yep... its what i meant.... the point was still "They can't stop it"
Why child porn??? Really I don't understand why you would think of that!!!

I am a little shocked to be honest
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yep... its what i meant.... the point was still "They can't stop it"
That's what they thought in the film "Unstoppable" starring Denzel Washington and Chris Ryan but guess what? They did stop it.

Think about Denzel Washington next time.
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Why child porn??? Really I don't understand why you would think of that!!!

I am a little shocked to be honest

There doing that here in Australia... (not to in on that one)

But what i meant was not in relation to stopping child porn. I said its LIKE that as a whole, meaning once you start something, you can't stop it no matter what people do.. because some clever people will always figure a way around it...

Thats what i was meaning when it came to piracy.

I guess i couldn't think of a anything better. My bad.
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Right, that's the end of this rather weird discussion here. Thanks.
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Old 10 March 2011, 12:14   #116
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think what amiga_Forever means is the law is only a deterant If you are going to do something then you are going to do it
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Just for the record when I download an Amiga game it doesn't make me think of child porn.

And no, piracy didn't kill the Amiga imo, Amiga/PC/Sony did.
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Haha - that got a little weird.

I think the point is, copying a game you weren't likely to buy in the first place rates as a very, very minor offense (to any sensible person).

Oh and Seuden, I'd put it as Commodore, Megadrive, Snes, Powerful Pcs and the final nail in the coffin - The Sony Playstation.
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In decades to come I wouldn't be surprised if people who are still using old outdated software instead of buying the latest version will be blamed in the same way as pirates today, it's all about big business maximising profits. Governments are in bed with them because in their eyes piracy hurts the economy because they assume every pirated copy is a lost sale.

With regards to the legality Martin Luther King once said:
"Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal."

I like that quote because it's a reminder that law isn't necessarily the be all and end all that governments would have us believe, just because it is the law doesn't make it ethically right or wrong... UK politicians have in recent years been found to be a bunch of thieving ****s but hardly any of them have been prosecuted because most of what they did was perfectly legal (yet highly unethical).

I always buy software that I like and use a lot, but I also occasionally download something to test it and if I think it isn't worth my money I don't bother. I even saw recently that developers are trying to crack down on the second hand market, so if you buy a product that sucks you'd be stuck with it.

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