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Old 20 February 2011, 02:02   #1
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Frontier Elite II - Information from a Tester

found some interesting information provided by Richard Hewison who beta tested the Amiga version of Frontier: Elite II, he also designed the starmap

he provides info on the tight security surround testing the game (see screen shot), but also about bugs etc etc

this was written in 2009, so i am sorry if this has been posted before



the site also provides guides, general data and files for FEII
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Old 20 February 2011, 02:11   #2
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Cool, but which site is it?
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Old 20 February 2011, 13:21   #3
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Cool, but which site is it?
Security is really tight!

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http://www.sharoma.com/frontierverse/bugs.htm
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Old 20 February 2011, 17:01   #5
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I like this remake of the intro movie. Its what the CD32 version's intro should have been like!

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Is there an easy way to know which release of Frontier you have, e.g. a version number or something somewhere?

And how many official releases were there, for the Amiga - just three (original release, bug fixed release, CD32 version)? Or was there more than one bug fix release?
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its safe to say that if you are using the floppy version or whdload then its without all the bugs fixes and additional features, true also for cracked adfs... unless of course you are running the CD32 version

... although today i have released a new version of Frontier: Elite II, called Special Edition which features, pictures and download adfs are at...
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=57905
... but is the CD32 version on floppy... and it great
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But I am *sure* that after the initial furore of the first floppy release being bugged, Gametek released a patch update to fix some of the most glaring bugs, while the CD32 release was a further revision with new features like the navigation aid. I'm sure I remember David Braben being interviewed in (I think) Amiga Format about it.

Forgot to say - your version looks good!
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i have it on floppy disk so if anyone needs a *real* copy send me a PM

one of the greatest Amiga games with new features... it is great!

with more details:-
if the disks are blue its the first version
if the disks are black, i think some bugs fixed but still has copy-protection check
if printed title on the disks, then its part of a comp and have bugs fixed and copy-protection removed because of a shared manual (see pic below)
CD32 all bugs fixed, new features and copy-protection removed
contents of CD32 version release in a comp for PC
WHDLoad version from either blue or black disks with copy-protection then removed
and then my release today


the first version i had was then blue disk version... sometime later i got another copy cheap, which was black disk version, i also had a fairlight cracked one

WHDLoad version is new to me... although the save menu is not like the CD32 version, so must be disk based
i had never played the CD32 version nor knew of the differences until i made the SE version today

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But I am *sure* that after the initial furore of the first floppy release being bugged, Gametek released a patch update to fix some of the most glaring bugs, while the CD32 release was a further revision with new features like the navigation aid. I'm sure I remember David Braben being interviewed in (I think) Amiga Format about it!
You are right! The CD32 was a final revision. A patched version was quickly released. Here is the interview in Amiga Format issue 57. Check out pages 44 and 45.

http://amr.abime.net/issue_213_pages

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if the disks are blue its the first version
if the disks are black, i think some bugs fixed but still has copy-protection check
if printed title on the disks, then its part of a comp and have bugs fixed and copy-protection removed because of a shared manual (see pic below)
CD32 all bugs fixed, new features and copy-protection removed
Looking at the scans of the floppy disk versions here: http://hol.abime.net/629/diskscan

As all the disks are blue I am assuming you mean the 'white label' disks are the first revision. They show copyright '1992' on the label. The black labelled disks have copyright '1993' so these must be a later revised version. My own boxed copy of Frontier is the black label variety.

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in which case i owned all three

i bought Frontier: Elite II on the day of release (i might have pre-ordered it)
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Here is what the SPS website lists for Frontier:

I have listed them in date order:

0123 Frontier - Elite II Amiga [english] OCS EU Retail: 2.9.92 (White Label)
2269 Frontier - Elite II Amiga [english] OCS EU Retail: 2.9.92 (v1.05r4) (White Label)
2745 Frontier - Elite II Amiga [french] OCS EU Retail: 2.9.92 (White Label)

1960 Frontier - Elite II Amiga [english] OCS EU Retail: 6.10.93 (Black Label)

0505 Frontier - Elite II Amiga [german] OCS EU Retail: 11.10.93 (Black Label)


http://www.softpres.org/games&search...ID&sortdir=ASC

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sounds right
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Well, now I'm confused. How come there are two different English EU releases with the same date in SPS' database?

Could the dates actually be wrong - the game wasn't released in Sep 1992 at all, but late 1993 shortly before Christmas (look at the dates of the magazine reviews).

All I can say for sure is:
- I got my copy for Christmas 1993
- I was certainly under the impression (from magazines at the time) that it had only recently come out, but I don't know if my copy was the original release with ALL the bugs
- it definitely DID have the bug where you could get lots of money by trying to sell your ship when you already had passengers on board
- it was a blue floppy disk with a black label (as per HoL)
- I'd like to work out which of the IPFs I have (I have all of the ones listed) is the corresponding one for my version so I can play it in WinUAE! (although I'll probably use Djay's version if I really get back into it)

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Right, I have done some testing with the passenger bug using the three SPS English language EU releases (I haven't tested the other bugs).

Here's what I've found:

- the first release of Frontier (or at least the earliest that SPS have) is release 1960, with the date 6.10.93. The passenger bug is still present in this one (allowing you to cheat, heh-heh!)

- SPS releases 0123 and 2269, despite having an earlier date recorded (2.9.92) are in fact later releases, with the passenger bug fixed. I don't know if they are different to each other, i.e. if one fixed some bugs, and the other fixed some more.

- the best release is of course Djay's, with all bugs fixed!

I am curious about the incorrect 2.9.92 datestamp though. Was this the default datestamp on an unexpanded A1200 (i.e. without a battery backed clock)? Perhaps the later releases were prepared on such a machine, hence the incorrect date.
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I am curious about the incorrect 2.9.92 datestamp though. Was this the default datestamp on an unexpanded A1200 (i.e. without a battery backed clock)? Perhaps the later releases were prepared on such a machine, hence the incorrect date.
Ha. Nice investigation! I agree with your conclusion.

I think the last version released may have been the v1.05r4 version.

Can someone confirm that 2.9.92 is the default A1200 datestamp? I would check it but I'm at work at the moment. Its easy to check on winuae. Just boot the wb disk and disable the real-time clock then check the date in prefs.

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Just boot the wb disk and disable the real-time clock then check the date in prefs.
Doesn't show the expected result :

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Mine didn't at first (using Cloanto's KS and WB), but then I 'acquired' an original 3.0 KS and WB ADF, and here's what I got:



EDIT: Maybe the default and time is built into the KS ROM, and the one TCD is using is an Amiga Technologies A1200 3.1 ROM: August 1995 would be about right wouldn't it?
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EDIT: Maybe the default and time is built into the KS ROM, and the one TCD is using is an Amiga Technologies A1200 3.1 ROM: August 1995 would be about right wouldn't it?
It's not the KS, but the WB that gives the default date :



That's also WB 3.0.
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Very interesting!

So it seems Frontier was first released in time for christmas 1993. Then a bug fixed version was released sometime in 1994. This was quickly followed by another updated version, v1.05r4.

Both later releases were developed on the same unexpanded A1200 with workbench 3.0. I say unexpanded as most accelerators and RAM expansions came with a built in battery backed up clock.

I wonder where SPS gets its dates and version numbers from?

Is it possible to find out if v1.05r4 is the last version?

Also the CD32 version apparently isn't totally bug free as new bugs were introduced:

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According to Stuart Wilson, the CD32 version has a unique bug (the 'CD32 joypad/mouse bug'), whereby the front lasers will fire intermittently when using the mouse. It also has another new bug (the aptly-named 'Flying Instructor' bug, discovered by Paul Roberts) whereby the ship's computers will dutifully attain approximately 50% of your set speed, whether it's high or low, and whether you're flying in space or in an atmosphere.

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