Will we see UAE on the PS3?

[Welshieinnz]

So, now that the PS3 has been opened up to homebrew, what are the chances we will see UAE (or some version) running on the PS3?

Would be awesome truth be told

[Hungry Horace]

yes.

[PaulyQ]

not an expert on PS3 but Linux with UAE should be the order of the day methinks, didn't linux run before Sony took away the "other OS" option?

[TheCyberDruid]

Originally Posted by PaulyQ

didn't linux run before Sony took away the "other OS" option?

Yes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXozRFcqKK0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBYCHNaeT4s

[Dreedo]

Well linux has already been shown to be workiong on the PS3 via homebrew, unfortunately its far from perfect and has some bad side effects. Also the risk of bricking your PS3 seems quite high at the moment, many developers are holding back releasing due to the severe issues that could crop up if everyone got hold of it.

It would make more sense to just get Linux on the PS3 working and everyone use E-UAE rather than make UAE for the PS3, thats what i used to do before Sony removed Linux.

[killergorilla]

Originally Posted by Welshieinnz

what are the chances

Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

yes.

Awesome!

I hear there is a yes chance of rain tomorrow too

It'll happen (UAE on PS3), probably sooner rather than later.

[Dreedo]

Well Linux is due to be back on PS3 this month, so everyone will have it then.

[Welshieinnz]

To be honest, it would be eve better if we could have it WITHOUT having to run via Linux, as in on the old Xbox.

[Dreedo]

Possibly, but im guessing E-UAE compatability would be much higher than making one for the PS3, in the long-run it'd probably work out better, but the main reason behind homebrew on the PS3 is Linux, thats why they hacked it in the first place, so most likely Linux will get all the attention when it comes out.

[FOL]

Originally Posted by Welshieinnz

To be honest, it would be eve better if we could have it WITHOUT having to run via Linux, as in on the old Xbox.

That could happen.

[seuden]

Originally Posted by Dreedo

Possibly, but im guessing E-UAE compatability would be much higher than making one for the PS3, in the long-run it'd probably work out better, but the main reason behind homebrew on the PS3 is Linux, thats why they hacked it in the first place, so most likely Linux will get all the attention when it comes out.

I think you're wrong there my friend. There is already a bunch of "signed" homebrew including Snes and Megadrive emulators. It's not going to be long before someone compiles UAE for the PS3.

Let's also be honest while some people want Linux on their PS3 the main reason there's so much interest is because of pirating.

[Dreedo]

Let's also be honest while some people want Linux on their PS3 the main reason there's so much interest is because of pirating.

While this is true the Ps3 is hardly an ideal system for this.

As it uses Blu-ray, its games are exceptionally large, a standard internet connection using a torrent would take several days to download a blu-ray image, then you would have to have a USB device large enough to store a 25/50GB blu-ray image. I'm guessing most people couldn't be arsed with that.

True, but i just want Linux back. :P

[Retro-Nerd]

USB Device? There will be an ISO-Loader, which works from the internal HD. That's for sure.

[Dreedo]

Mmmm yeah but then you have to plug your HDD into your PC, and then unplug it and plug it into your PS3 for every image file you transfer, plus it'll need to be at least 250GB+ to be worth using.

Anyway i'd never use it for pirating, so i'll always come up with some reason why it's impractical. :P

[seuden]

The games can and will be able to be stored and played from the internal and an external HDD. Call of Duty: Black Ops for eg. is around 14GB. Using usenet/private torrents you could have that overnight. You don't need to plug the HDD into your PC they can be transferred using a USB HDD or even using your home network.

I have over 20 games for my PS3 of which could be backed up to it then at a push of a button on my controller I could swap between games without getting off my sofa. It's similar to having a load of WHDLoad installs on your Amiga.

[Hungry Horace]

Some things.. I run my backups from external hd (1tb). I have ripped around 6 games, the largest was 20gb and the average size is nearer 12gb.

I don't think that makes it very hard to download and run pirated games.

[Zetr0]

I have a 250G Slim and its very tempting for some homebrew indeed!

I have no need to blag PS3 games, since I get most of mine on the cheap from Game or Cash Converters (last purchase was Brutal Legends for £4.99 - sweet sweet game) !

Although there are a couple of (older) PS3 titles that dont support a Hard Disk install, and I want to preserve my BluRay laser =)


So when will I get mine sorted? well to be honest, probably when some smart plug gives me PS1/PS2 emulator that will run ISO's from the drive (or preferably network) then I can be very chuffed indeed - and promptly look at getting a the largest 2.5" Harddisk I can find or yet another 2TB HD for the network!

I would like to have a little play with *nix distro on it, as well as DosBox/C64/Specky/SNES/Megadrive/32x/MegaCD/MAME/NeoGeo/CPS1/CSP2/GBA/N64 to name a few...

be absolutely great if there was a GameCube emulator released for it - and dare I say XBMC ? renamed to PSMC =D))


small things....

[Vairn]

I'll let you know tomorrow, once my friend with a PS3 gets back to me with some info.

[deicidal]

Well I am running my PS3 with a 500GB HDD in it, I think anyone with children will appreciate the ability to back the games up, plus its more convienant than swapping disks and less wear and tear on the BR drive. Personally on those little picture of do's and dont's for optimal perfomance they have a picture of a child rubbing there dirty mits accross the disk with a cross through it.

But I am looking forward to emulator capabilities of the PS3 now its been pretty much completely hacked, think it could well end up been the new xbox for emulation but I think we are bit off that yet until the hombrew devs start to really get into the capabilities of the console.

[Dreedo]

Unfortunately even if you own the game backups are still illegal, as your making copies of the disk. Not that Sony will ever know that. :P I certainly dont see anything wrong in it if you already own the game. If my disk broke i would be glad of a copy, luckily blu-ray disks are stronger than DVD's it seems.

UPDATE: Seems that Sony have filed a restraining order against Geohot and Failoverflow asking them to remove the firmware and key from the internet.

UPDATE#2: It appears that in the terms and conditions, Sony have the right to disable your console if they feel the need. So far no consoles have been affected, but its expected that Sony will ban consoles running CFW and possibly stop them from booting up anymore. Removing an internet connection from your PS3 will solve this, but if you have CFW on your PS3 and its connected to the internet, when you boot up, it will tell Sony that you are running a hacked console.

[seuden]

Originally Posted by Dreedo

Unfortunately even if you own the game backups are still illegal, as your making copies of the disk. Not that Sony will ever know that. :P I certainly dont see anything wrong in it if you already own the game. If my disk broke i would be glad of a copy, luckily blu-ray disks are stronger than DVD's it seems.

Is it illegal to make a backup copy of something you own? I'm not sure, maybe because I've never looked into it.

Originally Posted by Dreedo

UPDATE: Seems that Sony have filed a restraining order against Geohot and Failoverflow asking them to remove the firmware and key from the internet.

Barbra Streisand.

[Dreedo]

Clearly Sony saying they were working on Firmware updates to fix the security was a load of rubbish, or they wouldn't have gone to court. But most likely this will be a big blow to the homebrew scene, im guessing the court will rule in Sony's favour given what the hackers have actually done. Also the fact that they can basically destroy your console will scare a lot of people away.

[TheCyberDruid]

Originally Posted by Dreedo

UPDATE: Seems that Sony have filed a restraining order against Geohot and Failoverflow asking them to remove the firmware and key from the internet.

http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/sony-...t-files-75467/
Courtesy of Duke on IRC.

[seuden]

Originally Posted by Dreedo

Clearly Sony saying they were working on Firmware updates to fix the security was a load of rubbish, or they wouldn't have gone to court. But most likely this will be a big blow to the homebrew scene, im guessing the court will rule in Sony's favour given what the hackers have actually done. Also the fact that they can basically destroy your console will scare a lot of people away.

Lol, I think you need to do some more research before you post.

This will not be a big blow to the homebrew scene trust me, the Xbox 1 is still going strong despite being a very much inferior machine.

Sony will not necessarily get the courts to rule in their favour, the "hackers" haven't actually done much wrong. We'll see tho.

Originally Posted by Dreedo

Also the fact that they can basically destroy your console will scare a lot of people away.

Who can destroy your console?

[Dreedo]

Sony can stop your console from booting up if they detect you've hacked it, it says in the PS3's T&C's.

As i've said before, you don't actually own the console AFAIK, all games consoles are still the property of the manufacturer, and they can do with them as they please.

I dont see how the XBOX 1 is related, MS didn't really try to stop them did they?

Appears that Failoverflow have already complyed anyway, they have removed the PS3 development tools from their site.

[seuden]

Originally Posted by Dreedo

Sony can stop your console from booting up if they detect you've hacked it, it says in the PS3's T&C's.

No they can't, prove it.

Originally Posted by Dreedo

As i've said before, you don't actually own the console AFAIK, all games consoles are still the property of the manufacturer, and they can do with them as they please.

It's not the property of the manufacturer, it's the property of the End-User.

Originally Posted by Dreedo

I dont see how the XBOX 1 is related, MS didn't really try to stop them did they?

You said and I quote "most likely this will be a big blow to the homebrew scene" and I said "This will not be a big blow to the homebrew scene trust me, the Xbox 1 is still going strong despite being a very much inferior machine.". What I mean by this is despite what happens in the future, there are millions of PS3's out in the wild which all have the capabilities of having homebrew on them, this is what will keep homebrew going. The xbox 1 is dead as far as MS is concerned but homebrew is still alive and kicking on the xbox 1 same as it will on the PS3.

[Dreedo]

Originally Posted by A PS3 Homebrew Site

Sony has yet to ban any consoles for taking advantage of the jailbreak, but the terms and conditions of the PlayStation Network make it clear that Sony has the authority to carry them out. Thanks to the system’s constant self-reporting feature, “the company even has the means to irrevocably disable your console should it so wish,” rendering affected PS3 consoles unusable, online and off. But will Sony ever use such a drastic measure? And if so, how will the hacker scene retaliate?

They seem to think its possible. I wouldn't put it past Sony to do something like this, the PS1 and PS2 were the most widely hacked consoles. Only makes sense to take it up a step.

I'm guessing Sony will have the right to disable consoles if they can prove they are pirating games, Sony are probably under a lot of pressure from game developers to take action.

[seuden]

Terms and conditions mean shit when it comes to something you've physically bought. I can do what the heck I want with my PS3. I'd be stupid to access the PSN store if I hacked it, I'd then deserve for it to be disabled.

The PS3 has a HUGE amount of potential when it comes to homebrew, it's an awesome bit of kit for the price you pay. It makes sense to have two, one for homebrew (Media Centre, emulators etc etc) and one that's legit (if you're interested in playing online).

Originally Posted by Dreedo

I'm guessing Sony will have the right to disable consoles if they can prove they are pirating games, Sony are probably under a lot of pressure from game developers to take action.

No! They have the right to take you to court and disable you from the PSN network if they suspect you are pirating games.

[Dreedo]

Indeed, I'm just saying a lot of people will still want to have their PS3 online, even if you dont have a PSN account or ever access online gaming or the PS store, your console still reports to Sony, so you won't ever be able to have your console online, that is until the hackers come up with a way to get past it.

Mmmmm 2 PS3's is a little out of my price range, its stupidly priced as it is. :P

[seuden]

Originally Posted by Dreedo

its stupidly priced as it is. :P

It's not really. You couldn't buy the components individually for less, I'm sure.

[Dreedo]

Well then they should have used different components

Thnik were going a bit off of UAE though.

[seuden]

Originally Posted by Dreedo

Thnik were going a bit off of UAE though.

Agreed, so the answer to "Will we see UAE on the PS3?" for me is yes.

[Dreedo]

oh i have no doubt there will be its just if theres many people around to use it lol

ouch geohot & failoverflow are being asked to pay Sony damages and attorney fees also. As well as an amount deemed appropriate by the court

[deicidal]

Should be interesting to see what happens personally i think it could either way. Then again Sony just serve people willy nilly the moment someone does something they like or not regardless of wether they have any proof. Look at when the first jailbreak usb stick got released they attacked the company for using there copyrighted code even though none of it was on the device they just went for it anyway.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12171423

[Dreedo]

Mmmmm guess we just wait and see. Regardless of this there probably will be bannings from PSN

[bippym]

The hacking seems a bit complex to me lol.. I can't be arsed with it.

As for homebrew, of course it'll happen, they have already figured out how to launch some games without the need for a BM. They will also figure out how to fool the PSN into thinking you are using a legit machine.. It all takes a bit of time.. Unlike the 360 they have managed to completely open the PS3 now, and I reckon sales of the machine will rocket for a short period.

Expect the next PS3 model/revision to have this shut down somehow!

[Zetr0]

@Thread

Under UK copyright law, you are afforded the statutory right to backup you computer software media. However this statutory right is NOT afforded you the right to back up your Music or Movie media (funny that)

When you think a new titles cost is about £50 - that is a serious investment and by law you are entitled to protect that investment.


There are a lot of assumptions made with law and contracts that tout Terms and Conditions - a lot of people seem to believe that these T&C's are legally binding irrespective of what they say - Nothing could be further from the truth -

Contracts cannot by law demeanor or remove any of your statutory rights. Even if the terms and conditions say so - its illegal and in the worse case (with lots of consumers involved) a class action can be brought to company.

A point to mention was Micro$oft's culling of XBox 360's from XBox live - while they have the right to remove the service from you - they DO NOT have the right to brick your XBox - a fact over looked in the UK and since no one has taken M$ to court over this matter then they get away with.

PSN is a quite a bit of a different beast - and $ony's own track record of releasing damaging firmware is a problem in their own right lol. I dont think the infrastructure is there for them to be able to detect / deny and or effect a console (or computer) connected to their network. In truth I dont think $ony want to pay for it either.

[seuden]

I love you Zetr0.

[Dreedo]

Well Sony won't give a damn about people pirating games, except their own of course. Sony's problem is that game developers will be put off developing games for their system if its easy to hack. If there was an unhackable console out there, that would be the one with the most games because game developers would know that they would maximize their profits. So Sony have to give a damn because the developers give a damn, and what the developers want, Sony has to deliver.

Thats why Wii games suck, because its the easiest console to hack and Nintendo don't give a damn about people hacking it. Well that's my theory. :P

[bippym]

Well I have created the custom firmware, I have a PS3 upstairs that potentially has a fuxxored NAND. I'll try it

I am not gonna do mine though, I am more than happy with it being the way it is, and if I can get the other PS3 working it'll go in the kids room and be an offline only machine.