Details for the next generation of Flickerfixers from Individual Computers - Page 10

Mr B · 23 February 2012, 16:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schoenfeld

There will be drawbacks when the first cards reach the customers: Limited screenmodes, limited output modes, no Graffiti emulation and limited control with the config tool. Flash updates will add features and screenmodes one by one.

Will a early adopter, and a later buyer in the end have equivalent products, with the same capabilities? As in, do you foresee any updates that aren't purely firmware updates?
B!

Schoenfeld · 23 February 2012, 16:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr B

Will a early adopter, and a later buyer in the end have equivalent products, with the same capabilities? As in, do you foresee any updates that aren't purely firmware updates?
B!

All updates will be firmware-only. I just want to be honest with the early adopters, as it may happen again that I have to work on Nequester full-time for a few months. I'm also protecting myself from people who complain on the forums like "I bought the unit for [insert funny screenmode here], but it still doesnt support it!".

At some point, the firmware will support more screenmodes and features than the MK1 design does, but in the beginning, the MK1 design will do more than MK2 (well, no DVI...).

Jens

Mr B · 23 February 2012, 17:00

Good, then i'm still going to be a early adopter.

Thanks for clarifying... Oh, and i "bought it" to get games and workbench to display at all on my TV. I'll take anything past a fast flicker every now and then...
B!

johnim · 23 February 2012, 19:39

any idea on prices for indy2 for 1200

Schoenfeld · 23 February 2012, 19:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnim

any idea on prices for indy2 for 1200

http://www.vesalia.de/e_indivisionagamk2.htm

J

johnim · 23 February 2012, 19:52

thanks Jens

Retrofan · 23 February 2012, 21:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schoenfeld

In addition to DVI and VGA, you can use a HDMI cable - just google for them: http://www.google.com/search?q=DVI+to+HDMI+cable

Coudn't be added as an option a connector just for HDMI instead of dvi? I'll be using the first and it's connector is smaller, so better to find a place for it in a full modded Amiga.

alexh · 23 February 2012, 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retrofan

Coudn't be added as an option a connector just for HDMI instead of dvi? I'll be using the first and it's connector is smaller, so better to find a place for it in a full modded Amiga.

The connector is on a flying cable.

If Indivision MK2 is really DVI-I capable then someone will be able to make a replacement cable with a HDMI connector instead of DVI.

Retrofan · 23 February 2012, 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

The connector is on a flying cable.

If Indivision MK2 is really DVI-I capable then someone will be able to make a replacement cable with a HDMI connector instead of DVI.

Yep I've seen his photo

, and that is what I was thinking... "someone"...

EDIT: I was thinking perhaps to put it vertical opening the hole of the Composite, or perhaps where I've got the Nic, beside the BVision connector (no room for DVI). If I weren't using the RF place, that would be perfect for it (no room for DVI either). In any case, better smaller.

NovaCoder · 23 February 2012, 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schoenfeld

All updates will be firmware-only. I just want to be honest with the early adopters, as it may happen again that I have to work on Nequester full-time for a few months. I'm also protecting myself from people who complain on the forums like "I bought the unit for [insert funny screenmode here], but it still doesnt support it!".

At some point, the firmware will support more screenmodes and features than the MK1 design does, but in the beginning, the MK1 design will do more than MK2 (well, no DVI...).

Jens

It's funny really, I want you to bring it out as quickly as possible but at the same time, I don't want you to rush it either

magnetic · 24 February 2012, 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

The connector is on a flying cable.

If Indivision MK2 is really DVI-I capable then someone will be able to make a replacement cable with a HDMI connector instead of DVI.

An HDMI connector would be sooo cool on a classic amiga

Retrofan · 26 February 2012, 01:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by magnetic

An HDMI connector would be sooo cool on a classic amiga

Certainly the option to use HDMI is the touch that convinces me to buy it.
I do have a Led Tv that lets me see the interlaces modes... but I find that it's image can be improved with more definition, and I want to have the Graffiti possibilities.

In fact now I'm saving money to buy it ("Vesalia:This product is currently not available (ETA: March 2012)").

Ok, you can use an adapter to have an output with HDMI, but that is to make the same thing twice. If it could be HDMI directly as an option it would be perfect.

Mr B · 26 February 2012, 05:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retrofan

Ok, you can use an adapter to have an output with HDMI, but that is to make the same thing twice. If it could be HDMI directly as an option it would be perfect.

From the manafacturors point of view, and from the resellers, DVI or HDMI isn't equal. This has already been explained. By the use of DVI, we get get the most options for connectivity. VGA, DVI,(any kind) and HDMI. Heck, with the use of an active adapter we can even use DisplayPort, cables and equipment. Sadly those are sort of rare, but it's an option at least.
B!

fgh · 26 February 2012, 10:28

What Mr B said, DVI-I is clearly a much better choice for this product than HDMI!
Just buy a DVI-HDMI cable and stop complaining

Retrofan · 26 February 2012, 12:09

Perhaps you haven't read what I wrote. I never said to change one for another. I say to add this as an option, that's all. It hasn't to be made by them even. I'm just leaving an idea.

Exit · 27 February 2012, 21:08

release in march of indivision aga mk2?

chocolate_boy · 28 February 2012, 05:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exit

release in march of indivision aga mk2?

I'd take any deadlines with a pinch of salt, "when it's ready".

gunni · 28 February 2012, 14:52

No news on the ACA520?

magnetic · 01 March 2012, 22:59

Well considering Jens had to probably drop everything and diagnose the A1231 board problems i'm sure everything has gotten pushed back.

ByteRyder · 03 March 2012, 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by magnetic

Well considering Jens had to probably drop everything and diagnose the A1231 board problems i'm sure everything has gotten pushed back.

Hope not. As I've already pre-order mine from Vesalia. They also told me that the current ETA will be met.

RMK · 03 March 2012, 21:24

Amazing that they are so sure of the release date when the guy who is manufacturing it doesn't want to commit to a date...

lost_lemming · 03 March 2012, 21:51

hi is it out now?

Schoenfeld · 05 March 2012, 06:52

It's going to be "late march", but I'm pretty sure that it will be march. At least for the early adopters who are willing to take the wait until all screenmodes are supported in all output-pixelclocks.

Jens

NovaCoder · 05 March 2012, 09:43

late March works for me

Mr B · 05 March 2012, 11:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schoenfeld

It's going to be "late march", but I'm pretty sure that it will be march. At least for the early adopters who are willing to take the wait until all screenmodes are supported in all output-pixelclocks.

As long as the early adopters end up getting the identical hardware as the later buyers, i don't think there will a lack of buyers. A firmware update isn't the end of the world, but finding out you got a lesser capable product in the end would be a problem. Just stick to the promise that everyone will end up with the same product in the end, and your golden.
B!

xraynorm · 05 March 2012, 19:29

Hi

Will Amigakit.com be selling the IndivisionAGA MK2?

amigakit.com · 06 March 2012, 00:08

Yes, we will want to stock this item as we are an official reseller of Individual Computers products.

We have a policy of not advertising products until we have definate notification from the manufacturer that the product is imminent.

NovaCoder · 06 March 2012, 02:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by amigakit.com

Yes, we will want to stock this item as we are an official reseller of Individual Computers products.

We have a policy of not advertising products until we have definate notification from the manufacturer that the product is imminent.

Will you post on this thread as soon as they are available for pre-order or do you want me to do it again for you

amigakit.com · 06 March 2012, 22:13

Ok no problem. We will await notification from Individual Computers before opening pre-ordering.

Exit · 07 March 2012, 20:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schoenfeld

It's going to be "late march", but I'm pretty sure that it will be march. At least for the early adopters who are willing to take the wait until all screenmodes are supported in all output-pixelclocks.

Jens

great news jens, thnx

keep up your great work for amiga..

Retrofan · 08 March 2012, 02:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by NovaCoder

late March works for me

err... yes, counting I've been two years waiting for it

. I've got the cash$$$ ready and waiting...

... I'd saved a cent each month...

Doc Mindie · 08 March 2012, 10:43

Just how much is the flickerfixer gonna cost? I've got a penny or two saved up, just want to know how much of my wages can be directly put into Jens' pockets

diablothe2nd · 08 March 2012, 10:57

^^ me too, this has come as a bit of a shock actually as I've had a bit of a short month so will need to pester loved ones for a loan

Mr B · 08 March 2012, 11:02

Well, if Vesalias pre-order price is anything to go buy, around 150 Euro.
B!

Retrofan · 08 March 2012, 22:45

Now that it's imminent

I'm wondering if a fan or some kind of cooler is necessary for it.

magnetic · 09 March 2012, 00:08

I'm sure there would be no "fan" for the unit. You can always passive cool it yourself if you want..

Sim085 · 21 March 2012, 07:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunni

No news on the ACA520?

I would also like to ask if there are any news regarding the ACA520! I have been waiting for this ever since I first heard of it

Schoenfeld · 21 March 2012, 09:06

This is the Indivision AGA MK2 thread. News about other products will be released separately. As you can imagine, there's currently a lot to do on Indivision AGA MK2, ACA1231 and the current Chameleon and Micromys production runs (you may have noticed that Chameleon and Micromys is in short supply at the moment).

ACA520 is of course not forgotten. I do expect this thing to get lots of people to dig out their A500 and get back into the beautiful "hobby Amiga", so it'll be next on my list after Indivision AGA MK2.

Jens

paulo_becas · 21 March 2012, 09:49

Hi Jens,

This is great news, i'll wait as long as you want because i know when you deliver it's always good stuff.
I can't wait for the ACA520

Schoenfeld · 21 March 2012, 22:08

All those of you who wanted an Indivision AGA MK2 for A4000D and/or CD32, but didn't contact me yet, please do so NOW. I'll be sending out the invoices till the end of the week (yes, later than I anticipated).

I decided to make one production panel with both versions, which is the most cost-efficient method (if quantity relations will be what I'm expecting...).

Delivery will be before the end of april. I will guarantee that by the time of delivery, the unit will support PAL screenmode in 62.5Hz and NTSC screenmode in 75Hz. More screenmodes and output frequencies (like the legacy 50/60Hz modes) will be added with flash-updates. As the capabilities of the core grow, we'll also have a config tool at a later point. For now, we only have a flash tool, similar to the flash tools that you may have seen for the old model of Indivision AGA, and for Indivision ECS.

I'll report here everytime I can add a screen/output mode.

Jens

23 February 2012, 17:00	#363
Mr B Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 625	Good, then i'm still going to be a early adopter. Thanks for clarifying... Oh, and i "bought it" to get games and workbench to display at all on my TV. I'll take anything past a fast flicker every now and then... B! __________________ B! Amiga 1200 with ACA 1230/56, Indivision AGA MKII, 4GB CF & 20GB HD (thanks Brian). Workbench 3.1. Otherways stock. Future plans: None, right now.

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johnim Amibay Mod/Staff Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: birmingham uk Age: 37 Posts: 807	any idea on prices for indy2 for 1200 __________________ A1200T 1d4:blizzard 1260/50/192mb/scsi kit:mediator 1200:radeon 9250:sb128:100mb net:spider usb clone:fastata-iv:amiga to ps2 mouse:80gb hd:zip100 ide:a4000 keyboard A1200D 1d4:blizzard1230mk4/50/scsikit/128mb:indy mk ii:fastata mk ii:40gb A1200 rev 2b2 x A1200 1d4A1200 1bA600 2mb 4gbA500cd32 x2cdtv= sfs cf guide http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=61048 cwb3.9 guidehttp://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=61180

23 February 2012, 19:52	#366
johnim Amibay Mod/Staff Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: birmingham uk Age: 37 Posts: 807	thanks Jens __________________ A1200T 1d4:blizzard 1260/50/192mb/scsi kit:mediator 1200:radeon 9250:sb128:100mb net:spider usb clone:fastata-iv:amiga to ps2 mouse:80gb hd:zip100 ide:a4000 keyboard A1200D 1d4:blizzard1230mk4/50/scsikit/128mb:indy mk ii:fastata mk ii:40gb A1200 rev 2b2 x A1200 1d4A1200 1bA600 2mb 4gbA500cd32 x2cdtv= sfs cf guide http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=61048 cwb3.9 guidehttp://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=61180

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Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 2,665	Perhaps you haven't read what I wrote. I never said to change one for another. I say to add this as an option, that's all. It hasn't to be made by them even. I'm just leaving an idea. __________________ AmiKit for Real Amigas Released, Click Here A1200 1D1, 8Gb SSD Hd, ACA 1231/42. A1200 2B, Lateral slot for Cf Hd's, Tray system Dvd. ACA1230/56, Fast Ata MKII, Indivision MkII with Hdmi. A1200 1D1, Lateral slot for Cf Hd's, Tray system Dvd, Clockport expander, Delfina, Subway, IDefix, BPPC, BVision, Acard with lateral slot for Scsi Cf HD... C=64 with ITX inside. Posting with it. Last edited by Retrofan; 26 February 2012 at 20:54.

27 February 2012, 21:08	#376
Exit Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Holland/The netherlands Age: 38 Posts: 85	release in march of indivision aga mk2? __________________ ex.Overlords ex.Partek member..look for my famous ghettopack ;)

26 February 2012, 10:28	#374
fgh Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Norway Posts: 265	What Mr B said, DVI-I is clearly a much better choice for this product than HDMI! Just buy a DVI-HDMI cable and stop complaining

28 February 2012, 14:52	#378
gunni Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Dundee Posts: 92	No news on the ACA520?

01 March 2012, 22:59	#379
magnetic Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Los Angeles, USA Posts: 244	Well considering Jens had to probably drop everything and diagnose the A1231 board problems i'm sure everything has gotten pushed back.

03 March 2012, 21:24	#381
RMK Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 173	Amazing that they are so sure of the release date when the guy who is manufacturing it doesn't want to commit to a date...

03 March 2012, 21:51	#382
lost_lemming Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Birmingham Age: 27 Posts: 275	hi is it out now?

05 March 2012, 06:52	#383
Schoenfeld electricky. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: out in the wild Posts: 677	It's going to be "late march", but I'm pretty sure that it will be march. At least for the early adopters who are willing to take the wait until all screenmodes are supported in all output-pixelclocks. Jens

05 March 2012, 09:43	#384
NovaCoder Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Melbourne/Australia Posts: 2,333	late March works for me

05 March 2012, 19:29	#386
xraynorm Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: suffolk Posts: 26	Hi Will Amigakit.com be selling the IndivisionAGA MK2?

06 March 2012, 00:08	#387
amigakit.com Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: www.amigakit.com Posts: 1,352	Yes, we will want to stock this item as we are an official reseller of Individual Computers products. We have a policy of not advertising products until we have definate notification from the manufacturer that the product is imminent. __________________ amigakit.com - the Amiga store Links: www.amigakit.com \| New Products \| AMIGAONE X1000 Ordering

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amigakit.com Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: www.amigakit.com Posts: 1,352	Ok no problem. We will await notification from Individual Computers before opening pre-ordering. __________________ amigakit.com - the Amiga store Links: www.amigakit.com \| New Products \| AMIGAONE X1000 Ordering

08 March 2012, 10:43	#392
Doc Mindie In deep Trouble Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manchester, Made in Norway Age: 40 Posts: 802	Just how much is the flickerfixer gonna cost? I've got a penny or two saved up, just want to know how much of my wages can be directly put into Jens' pockets

08 March 2012, 10:57	#393
diablothe2nd Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Northampton, UK Age: 31 Posts: 906	^^ me too, this has come as a bit of a shock actually as I've had a bit of a short month so will need to pester loved ones for a loan __________________ View my Amiga CD1200 Project here: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=66510

08 March 2012, 11:02	#394
Mr B Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 625	Well, if Vesalias pre-order price is anything to go buy, around 150 Euro. B! __________________ B! Amiga 1200 with ACA 1230/56, Indivision AGA MKII, 4GB CF & 20GB HD (thanks Brian). Workbench 3.1. Otherways stock. Future plans: None, right now.

08 March 2012, 22:45	#395
Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 2,665	Now that it's imminent I'm wondering if a fan or some kind of cooler is necessary for it. __________________ AmiKit for Real Amigas Released, Click Here A1200 1D1, 8Gb SSD Hd, ACA 1231/42. A1200 2B, Lateral slot for Cf Hd's, Tray system Dvd. ACA1230/56, Fast Ata MKII, Indivision MkII with Hdmi. A1200 1D1, Lateral slot for Cf Hd's, Tray system Dvd, Clockport expander, Delfina, Subway, IDefix, BPPC, BVision, Acard with lateral slot for Scsi Cf HD... C=64 with ITX inside. Posting with it.

09 March 2012, 00:08	#396
magnetic Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Los Angeles, USA Posts: 244	I'm sure there would be no "fan" for the unit. You can always passive cool it yourself if you want..

21 March 2012, 09:06	#398
Schoenfeld electricky. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: out in the wild Posts: 677	This is the Indivision AGA MK2 thread. News about other products will be released separately. As you can imagine, there's currently a lot to do on Indivision AGA MK2, ACA1231 and the current Chameleon and Micromys production runs (you may have noticed that Chameleon and Micromys is in short supply at the moment). ACA520 is of course not forgotten. I do expect this thing to get lots of people to dig out their A500 and get back into the beautiful "hobby Amiga", so it'll be next on my list after Indivision AGA MK2. Jens

21 March 2012, 09:49	#399
paulo_becas Registered User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Porto/Portugal Age: 37 Posts: 367	Hi Jens, This is great news, i'll wait as long as you want because i know when you deliver it's always good stuff. I can't wait for the ACA520 __________________ Amiga is alive and well in PORTUGAL

21 March 2012, 22:08	#400
Schoenfeld electricky. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: out in the wild Posts: 677	All those of you who wanted an Indivision AGA MK2 for A4000D and/or CD32, but didn't contact me yet, please do so NOW. I'll be sending out the invoices till the end of the week (yes, later than I anticipated). I decided to make one production panel with both versions, which is the most cost-efficient method (if quantity relations will be what I'm expecting...). Delivery will be before the end of april. I will guarantee that by the time of delivery, the unit will support PAL screenmode in 62.5Hz and NTSC screenmode in 75Hz. More screenmodes and output frequencies (like the legacy 50/60Hz modes) will be added with flash-updates. As the capabilities of the core grow, we'll also have a config tool at a later point. For now, we only have a flash tool, similar to the flash tools that you may have seen for the old model of Indivision AGA, and for Indivision ECS. I'll report here everytime I can add a screen/output mode. Jens

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