A4091 troubles (3.9GB limit?)

Zetr0 · 26 September 2010, 02:14

Hello there my fellow forum chummies -

I have been having some trouble with this little beast of a card on behalf of a good friend.

I can get this device to work - boot on any partition created under 4GB - from a diosk of say 20GB - I can even use SFS and FFS - however - it cannot see or mount partions after the first or partions past the 3.9GB barrier.

As some of you know this devices comes up as 2nd.scsi.device under ClassicWorkbench 3.9 HDToolsBox.

now try as I might I cannot get anything more that the first partition and that has to be under 4.0GB - SFS/FFS irrespective.

the hardware is a Rev B A4000 with 16MB Fast 2MB Chip and an 030@25 - the 20GB IDE is working perfectly fine, and previously RDB drives are only seen with the first partition and only if its under 3.9GB - otherwise its not mounted.

when attempting to access the device the error - "cannot mount device not enough memory" is returned.

the ROM (SCSI device) is 40.13

The CWOS is used to pre-up lots of other IDE/SCSI devices so this is a weird one I could use some help on.

I really appreciate any ideas that you may have.

Slayer · 26 September 2010, 03:59

Does the A4000 have 11 buster?

Have you checked all the dip switches are in there correct position?

Read through http://www.hough.ca/personal/4091.html

If all else fails, try hacking your NSDPatch.cfg file

thomas · 26 September 2010, 09:23

There is a natural 4 GB limit in AmigaOS which needs special care to be taken to circumvent.

Please run http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/check4gb and post the report here.

Zetr0 · 26 September 2010, 16:41

Cheers for the help guys.

check4gb - version 1.4 (current config)

Code:

Name	Volume		Size	Device		Unit	Version		Type	Version		>4GB	Check

SDH0	AOSTemp		4013M	2nd.scsi	2	40.13		CFS0	1.273		no	ok
LDh0	AmigaOS3.9	2078M	scsi		0	43.43		DOS5	45.13		no	ok
LDH1	SuperStore	16GB	scsi		0	43.43		CFS0	1.273		yes	ok

The SDH0 partition is a 4013MB partition of a 20GB SCSI 2 SCA device - this device was setup under ClassicWorkbench 3.9 running from a 20GB IDE HDD -

The 20GB IDE drive was setup under WinUAE - with large disk support installed. I have used this drive for setting up other setups - like my 36.1GB SCSI disk on my CSMk2 CyberSCSI II.

of which my 36.1GB SCSI setup for 4 paritions on my CyberSCSI Mk2 is prepared for 2GB OS / 8GB Games / 8GB Applications / 8GB Dev / 8GB Store - when put on the A4091 it can only see the first 2GB partition - nothing else..

Trying to access it via CLI claims "there is not enough memory to access this device"

check4gb - version 1.4 (extra partition added SDH1)

Code:

Name	Volume		Size	Device		Unit	Version		Type	Version		>4GB	Check

SDH0	AOSTemp		4013M	2nd.scsi	3	40.13		CFS0	1.273		no	ok
SDH1			13G	2nd.scsi	3	40.13		CFS0	1.273		yes	*
LDh0	AmigaOS3.9	2078M	scsi		0	43.43		DOS5	45.13		no	ok
LDH1	SuperStore	16G	scsi		0	43.43		CFS0	1.273		yes	ok

now even though HDToolsBox was able to see and partition SDH1: (13GB) its not mounted - and not accessable in workbench - thus I cannot format it.

under CLI

Code:

>check4gb 2nd.scsi.device
>2nd.scsi.device does not support greater than 4GB hard drives
>

At this juncture I am assuming that I need to patch 2nd.scsi.device - how does one patch 2nd.scsi.device for greater than 4GB support?

thomas · 26 September 2010, 17:31

That's some strange SCSI controller which does not support SCSI commands.

Could you please also run the attached program. Run it from CLI like this:

scsi 2nd.scsi.device 3

Seems like you need to upgrade the firmware of your A4091.

zipper · 26 September 2010, 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

At this juncture I am assuming that I need to patch 2nd.scsi.device - how does one patch 2nd.scsi.device for greater than 4GB support?

Check NSDpatch.cfg if the line for 2nd.scsi.device is unticked - was it done with removing a # - don't remember exactly; by default I think it should be unticked. And is the patch launched.

Zetr0 · 26 September 2010, 18:12

@Zipper

I am just about to try out the program provided by Thomas, whats this NSDpatch.cfg? where might I find it?

Fingerlickin_B · 26 September 2010, 18:23

Would this be it?

http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/NSDPatch43_20

PZ.

Zetr0 · 26 September 2010, 18:26

@Fingerz

I shall look into this shortly

@Thomas

Initially I typed

Code:

>scsi 2nd.scsi.device 3

- however there was to much data for me to type here - so I piped it

Code:

scsi 2nd.scsi.device >ram:scsi-output.txt

results are the same - scsi-output

Code:

Inquiry
   Vendor           = HP 18.2G
   Product          = ST373207LC#18   
   Revision         = HPC3
   Type             = Direct-access

Read Capacity
   Block Size       = 512 bytes
   Number of Blocks = 35566480
   => Disk Size     = 17366 MB

Read Block 0
   0000: 52 44 53 4b 00 00 00 40 da 01 91 6e 00 00 00 07 00 00 02 00 00 00 00 07 ff ff ff ff 00 00 00 01  RDSK...@Ú..n............ÿÿÿÿ....
   0020: 00 00 00 03 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff  ....ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ
   0040: 00 00 5b 67 00 00 00 be 00 00 00 08 00 00 00 01 00 00 5b 67 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ..[g...¾..........[g............
   0060: 00 00 5b 67 00 00 5b 67 00 00 00 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ..[g..[g........................
   0080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 0b df 00 00 00 02 00 00 5b 66 00 00 05 f0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 f6 00 00 00 00  .......ß......[f...ð.......ö....
   00A0: 48 50 20 31 38 2e 32 47 53 54 33 37 33 32 30 37 4c 43 23 31 38 20 20 20 48 50 43 33 00 00 00 00  HP 18.2GST373207LC#18   HPC3....
   00C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   00E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   0100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   0120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   0140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   0160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   0180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   01A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   01C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   01E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................

Write Block 0
   Ok.

Read Block 35566479
   0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   0060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   0080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   00A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   00C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   00E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   0100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   0120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   0140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   0160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   0180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   01A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   01C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................
   01E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................................

Write Block 35566479
   Ok.

okay now off to look at the NSD patch =)

Zetr0 · 26 September 2010, 18:48

@guys

I have solved the problem with all your help!!!!

it turned out that the NSDPatch.cfg was corrupted.

I re-installed this overwriting the original -using WinUAE and then plumbed it upto the A4000 - not only can it now see and mount the 13GB SDH1 partition on workbench - but also I have now formatted it for SFS and its its now duping data from LDH1 to SDH1, infact since its running a basic 030@25Mhz its storming along nicely!!!

Really appreciate your help guys =)

zipper · 26 September 2010, 18:49

It's in Devs on OS 3.5/3.9. Heh, was late

:

thomas · 26 September 2010, 19:21

Time to fix this SCSI bug in Check4GB...

Zetr0 · 26 September 2010, 20:22

update...

Now tested the SFS Formated 20GB SCSI HDD with RSCP

030@25Mhz
16MB Fast 2MB Chip
Syncronus mode

Read 4,678KB per second
9% Free Processor Time

quite impressive for a litte 25Mhz 030 4.5 MIP munching midget =)

26 September 2010, 09:23	#3
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 3,911	There is a natural 4 GB limit in AmigaOS which needs special care to be taken to circumvent. Please run http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/check4gb and post the report here. __________________ Home: thomas-rapp.homepage.t-online.de Email: thomas-rapp@web.de

26 September 2010, 16:41	#4
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	Cheers for the help guys. check4gb - version 1.4 (current config) Code: Name Volume Size Device Unit Version Type Version >4GB Check SDH0 AOSTemp 4013M 2nd.scsi 2 40.13 CFS0 1.273 no ok LDh0 AmigaOS3.9 2078M scsi 0 43.43 DOS5 45.13 no ok LDH1 SuperStore 16GB scsi 0 43.43 CFS0 1.273 yes ok The SDH0 partition is a 4013MB partition of a 20GB SCSI 2 SCA device - this device was setup under ClassicWorkbench 3.9 running from a 20GB IDE HDD - The 20GB IDE drive was setup under WinUAE - with large disk support installed. I have used this drive for setting up other setups - like my 36.1GB SCSI disk on my CSMk2 CyberSCSI II. of which my 36.1GB SCSI setup for 4 paritions on my CyberSCSI Mk2 is prepared for 2GB OS / 8GB Games / 8GB Applications / 8GB Dev / 8GB Store - when put on the A4091 it can only see the first 2GB partition - nothing else.. Trying to access it via CLI claims "there is not enough memory to access this device" check4gb - version 1.4 (extra partition added SDH1) Code: Name Volume Size Device Unit Version Type Version >4GB Check SDH0 AOSTemp 4013M 2nd.scsi 3 40.13 CFS0 1.273 no ok SDH1 13G 2nd.scsi 3 40.13 CFS0 1.273 yes * LDh0 AmigaOS3.9 2078M scsi 0 43.43 DOS5 45.13 no ok LDH1 SuperStore 16G scsi 0 43.43 CFS0 1.273 yes ok now even though HDToolsBox was able to see and partition SDH1: (13GB) its not mounted - and not accessable in workbench - thus I cannot format it. under CLI Code: >check4gb 2nd.scsi.device >2nd.scsi.device does not support greater than 4GB hard drives > At this juncture I am assuming that I need to patch 2nd.scsi.device - how does one patch 2nd.scsi.device for greater than 4GB support? __________________ Luscious Linkie Time:- www.AmiBay.com Old Skooler Last edited by Zetr0; 26 September 2010 at 16:50.

26 September 2010, 18:12	#7
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	@Zipper I am just about to try out the program provided by Thomas, whats this NSDpatch.cfg? where might I find it? __________________ Luscious Linkie Time:- www.AmiBay.com Old Skooler

26 September 2010, 18:48	#10
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	@guys I have solved the problem with all your help!!!! it turned out that the NSDPatch.cfg was corrupted. I re-installed this overwriting the original -using WinUAE and then plumbed it upto the A4000 - not only can it now see and mount the 13GB SDH1 partition on workbench - but also I have now formatted it for SFS and its its now duping data from LDH1 to SDH1, infact since its running a basic 030@25Mhz its storming along nicely!!! Really appreciate your help guys =) __________________ Luscious Linkie Time:- www.AmiBay.com Old Skooler

26 September 2010, 19:21	#12
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 3,911	Time to fix this SCSI bug in Check4GB... __________________ Home: thomas-rapp.homepage.t-online.de Email: thomas-rapp@web.de

26 September 2010, 02:14	#1
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	A4091 troubles (3.9GB limit?) Hello there my fellow forum chummies - I have been having some trouble with this little beast of a card on behalf of a good friend. I can get this device to work - boot on any partition created under 4GB - from a diosk of say 20GB - I can even use SFS and FFS - however - it cannot see or mount partions after the first or partions past the 3.9GB barrier. As some of you know this devices comes up as 2nd.scsi.device under ClassicWorkbench 3.9 HDToolsBox. now try as I might I cannot get anything more that the first partition and that has to be under 4.0GB - SFS/FFS irrespective. the hardware is a Rev B A4000 with 16MB Fast 2MB Chip and an 030@25 - the 20GB IDE is working perfectly fine, and previously RDB drives are only seen with the first partition and only if its under 3.9GB - otherwise its not mounted. when attempting to access the device the error - "cannot mount device not enough memory" is returned. the ROM (SCSI device) is 40.13 The CWOS is used to pre-up lots of other IDE/SCSI devices so this is a weird one I could use some help on. I really appreciate any ideas that you may have. __________________ Luscious Linkie Time:- www.AmiBay.com Old Skooler

26 September 2010, 03:59	#2
Slayer Amiga Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 46 Posts: 668	Does the A4000 have 11 buster? Have you checked all the dip switches are in there correct position? Read through http://www.hough.ca/personal/4091.html If all else fails, try hacking your NSDPatch.cfg file

26 September 2010, 18:23	#8
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 2,116	Would this be it? http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/NSDPatch43_20 PZ.

26 September 2010, 18:49	#11
zipper Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: finland Posts: 869	It's in Devs on OS 3.5/3.9. Heh, was late :

26 September 2010, 20:22	#13
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	update... Now tested the SFS Formated 20GB SCSI HDD with RSCP 030@25Mhz 16MB Fast 2MB Chip Syncronus mode Read 4,678KB per second 9% Free Processor Time quite impressive for a litte 25Mhz 030 4.5 MIP munching midget =) __________________ Luscious Linkie Time:- www.AmiBay.com Old Skooler

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