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Old 22 September 2010, 21:48   #141
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There is no 'End' sequence on any of the disks, sorry guys but Mr Crowther knew nobody would ever finish it!
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Old 24 September 2010, 14:33   #142
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...even though the bases are generated (except the very first one)...
what? the first one is also generated. The only difference is that its floor layout is hardcoded to force a different generation than the original. Soon, I'll be adding the real Butre as it should have been on my UCG site. You'll see that Crowther made a very good move by forcing a different generation because the original Butre is hard as hell.

The only base that is truly hardcoded is the one on the demo disk.
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Old 24 September 2010, 14:53   #143
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Damn I love captive!

I must get to play this game today....
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Old 24 September 2010, 15:00   #144
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Damn I love captive!

I must get to play this game today....
One game I have never played Zetr0, I see you mention this game a lot. When I get my case back with keys This is the first game I am going to test out
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Old 24 September 2010, 16:59   #145
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Not much to do with platform games though
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Old 24 September 2010, 17:38   #146
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There are different levels in it and you can use the lift to get to them
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Old 25 September 2010, 04:01   #147
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Not much to do with platform games though
*ahem

neither is Gods ------ *aparently


*teehehee*


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joking aside - why has no one mentioned alfred chicken - its a really fun game - much better than that robo-cod thingy...

Fire and Brimstone: an interesting take on Ghost and a gobblins

nor have I seen any mention of Flink, Land of Genesis, The Lion King, Super Cauldron, Total Recal to name some more - very good platformers.
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Old 25 September 2010, 06:08   #148
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I also enjoyed Leander (see my APoV review) and Prehistorik.
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Old 25 September 2010, 12:33   #149
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Well back in the day I enjoyed most platform games actually, including the Addams Family (which irritates the hell out of me now), Baby Jo (which is just boring to me now) and Zool (actually I still like that one, although the loading times are just insane).

Here's a question for you: what is it that makes a platform game more than good?

My choices in order of importance:

- lots of secrets to find
- smooth and fast gameplay
- colorful graphics
- plenty of action (either weapons or the old jump on the head stuff)
- cheery tunes

For me if the game hits all of these qualities, its a platformer I can replay until the end of my days. On that note, I'm going to play Aladdin again soon
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Old 25 September 2010, 12:40   #150
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- lots of secrets to find
I'd replace that with 'interesting level design', but I guess we mean the same thing. Good controls are very important in a platform game. That are the two main ingredients for a good platformer in my book
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good point, yes the level design is exactly it
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Old 25 September 2010, 13:50   #152
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*ahem

neither is Gods ------ *aparently
Stirrer

Not as much as Cadaver anyway! I reckon that could have been the new Super Mario World with the right marketing

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Here's a question for you: what is it that makes a platform game more than good?

My choices in order of importance:

- lots of secrets to find
- smooth and fast gameplay
- colorful graphics
- plenty of action (either weapons or the old jump on the head stuff)
- cheery tunes
A good platform game for me has

Accurate controls - No cheap deaths. If I die I want to feel it was MY fault, not the controls.

Well balanced difficulty curve - It should start off nice and relaxed, and by the end be hard as nails.

Depth - lots of secrets and bonuses to find and keep me coming back for more.

Level design - Interesting and varied levels that make me want to explore them.

On the Amiga, the game that ticks all these boxes for me is Rainbow Islands. Fantastic game. Super Mario World on the SNES is also brilliant.
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Old 25 September 2010, 15:32   #153
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...nor have I seen any mention of Flink, Land of Genesis, The Lion King, Super Cauldron, Total Recal to name some more - very good platformers.
If you hadn't included Flink in that list, I would have thought you were being sarcastic.
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Old 25 September 2010, 16:17   #154
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- interesting level design (including lots of hard-to-find/access areas),
- good graphics (not necessarily colorful) with distinctive style and interesting theme (for example I like the ancient motives in gods). I prefer "dark" over "cute". If there is cutesy then it is good when it has some darkness in it or a bit of madness (james pond),
- I like it when there is a lot of items or vehicles to use,
- adventure elements (actually I dont like "the real platformers" very much) .
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Old 23 July 2011, 03:52   #155
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Top Amiga Platform Games

By today's standards the following are still great games:

Turrican 2
Pang
Myth
Midnight Resistance
Odyssey
Putty
Rainbow Islands
Dizzy (don't make me choose now)
Benefactor
Bubba n Stix

Have aged a bit but still good:
Crazy Sue
Zool
New Zealand Story
Robocod
Killing Game Show

Has aged badly: Gods (oh no, not another Gods basher! 'fraid so)
Excellent theme tune aside, there is no getting away from the fact that this is and always was a pretty crap game. The rubbish main sprite animation (who walks like that?) isn't even the main problem here. The real problem is, this game doesn't play fair. The gameplay relies heavily on pulling levers in the correct order. Players are given no prior clue as to what that order might be so it's all pure guesswork combined with memory from prior plays. Nothing cerebral at all. No sense of justice when you get something wrong and pay a heavy price. Also, I remember magazines at the time touting that according to Bitmap Bros, Gods would feature advanced enemy AI. That turned out to be absolute hogwash and the game features the same dumbass enemy sprites walking set predetermined paths as any other game, albeit with so much energy some of them that you had to place a chair leg on the firebutton at certain points and go have a cup o tea until it was vanquished - YAWN!

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Old 23 July 2011, 18:35   #156
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Interesting view. I find the same thing with Team 17 games. For me BB games are style AND substance, whereas T17 look nice but are dull.
I think that's the case with both Team17 and Bitmap Brothers. I think that when then actually did a good game, it was a pure strike of luck (Speedball 2 and The Chaos Engine for BB, Alien Breed and... hmmm.. duh, most of Team17 games I find really good wasn't really developed by them, like Worms, ATR and Qwak )

For my top 10 list.. in no particular order

Arabian Nights
The Addams Family
Ruff 'n' Tumble
Parasol Stars
James Pond 2
Putty
Turrican 3
Soccer Kid
Rodland
McDonald's Land

I left Benefactor, Flashback, The Lost Vikings and Fury of The Furries out, as people would maybe call them puzzles or adventure games instead of platform games.. but IMO they are better than Turrican 3, Soccer Kid ,Rodland and McDonald's Land

I never got why Arabian Nights gets no love. I think it's one of the best Platform games ever made, with spot-on level design, lots of secrets, good controls, a lot of variety in the gameplay, and no jump in the head of enemies

And yeah, I am one of the 3 guys in the world who prefers Turrican 3 over Turrican 2. I find it to be a lot more polished, balanced and fun to play.


Even though Platform games are a typical console genre, I think that, considering the flurry of games of this type every system got, the Amiga had the best ones at that period. I could keep listing pretty good games on this genre: James Pond 3, Globdule, Great Giana Sisters, Brim & Firestone, Flink, Leander, Assassin Special Edition, Lionheart, Lethal Weapon, Global Gladiatos, The Killing Game Show, Woody's World, Kid Chaos, Harlequin, Zool 2, Wolfchild, Chuck Rock 1 & 2, Premiere, Bubba 'n' Stix, The New Zealand Story, Trolls, The First Samurai, The Second Samurai, Flimbo's Quest, Flood, Hudson Hawk, Smidge, Fire & Ice ....

And those are ones I find to be good (Not always excellent, but at least good ) There are some averagey ones that can be very enjoyable too.

And I do like Jim Power.
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Old 23 July 2011, 18:42   #157
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Good Platformer = Personal Preference.

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Old 23 July 2011, 20:04   #158
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Putty
Soccer kid
Arabaian Nights
Ruff n Tumble

Cant think of any others i like
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Prince of Persia
SOTB 3
Flashback
Turrican 2
Another World
Lionheart
Turrican
Aladdin
First Samurai
Second Samurai
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Best platform games I've ever played are:
1. Lionheart
2. Leander
3. Gods
4. Rainbow Island
5. Rick Dangerous 1
6. Superfrog
Lionheart is the best platformer in my opinion great soundtrack best playability 100% quality. Just a great experience.
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