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Old 26 June 2010, 01:08   #1
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Rocking Woods - A Chaos Constructed Level

You might have noticed that Exl made a Chaos Engine editor. So I tried it right from the very start on Monday and now am quite proud to present you :




Thanks to my alpha/beta/WIP testers : Dastardly, Exl, HungryHorace, Jimbo, skateblind, xpect and those I've forgotten (sorry )

Of course the major thanks goes out to Exl who made this possible

Also big thanks to my man Dastardly for making that amazing logo

Grab your new Chaos Engine (WHDLoad preinstalled) fix at : Hotlink
or on the EAB file server in the folder 'Game/WHDLoad/Chaos Engine Levels'.

The difficulty is quite high, but it's mainly because you need to know the level

(there are 8 secrets to be found, so good luck )

Edit : I missed to add the 'I hope you have as much fun playing it that I had making it' bit

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Old 26 June 2010, 01:22   #2
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Thumbs up

Have you not worked in game development in the past?

It is an excellent level from the beginning.

I can just reproduce what i've said today on IRC, so here is the copy & paste:

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17:58:12 | <xpect> well i just can't praise enough your work TCD
17:58:20 | <xpect> an excelent level indeed
17:58:42 | <xpect> for seasoned players the dificulty is well balanced
17:58:54 | <xpect> and for me was not difficult at all
17:59:18 | <xpect> it's an engaging level
17:59:32 | <xpect> full of surprises and really interesting
17:59:52 | <xpect> so hats of to you Mr. Druid
Waiting for the second one!
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Old 26 June 2010, 01:28   #3
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Have you not worked in game development in the past?
Cheers Well I've done a few Doom and Morrowind WADs/plugins, but I always wanted to have a go at Chaos Engine. I'm not kidding The game really has a great balance between sheer action and some RPG/puzzle elements. I've already told Exl, but I don't think he got what this editor means to me *sob sob*

Anyway, I will do some other stuff during the next days, but afterwards it's onto level 2 for sure Looking forward to see your effort aswell xpect
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Old 26 June 2010, 02:01   #4
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Excellent work TCD! Really enjoyed my first go at this. New CE stuff is awesome news (cheers Exl). I will be giving this a good go over the next few days and hopefully cracking those 7 secrets.

Awesome! (Dastardly needs MOAR).
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Old 26 June 2010, 02:15   #5
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World's biggest Bitmap Brothers fanboi likes my level
Thanks a lot for the feedback Dast, as I surely aimed it at players that know Chaos Engine Then again, it should be doable for pretty much everyone that gives it a few tries
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Old 26 June 2010, 02:27   #6
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Sod the noobs. Let them play Superfrog
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Old 26 June 2010, 02:34   #7
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/me likes to point out that the level is not that hard
No really, there are a few spots that are 'surprising', but should be doable on the next try, plus there's quite a bit of food around to get you going. Oh and even two extra lives if you manage to find them ).
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90% . Oh, it's not the LA/EAB league?

Good job overall TCD .
That probably won't be an easy level for a beginner but I believe that anyone who has already finished the game and therefore moves cautiously/saves food for later use/backtrack a bit won't have too much trouble.



Here are the issues I have found. Some of them may be related to the editor (not setting some flags on etc...) or not. I suppose Exl will read this thread or that you will forward him any issues.


- CPU taking the "players saved" yin-yang pickups?
I am pretty sure that I read somewhere in one of the EAB threads about CE that CPU players were supposed not to take any item that will "alter" the level (keys and players saved especially). I have seen mine do that several times.


- I believe my shots should go through the gap between these trees, should not they?


- Apparently some of those pod thingies that shoot slime balls (or whatever they are) spawn two times. As a consequence they can shoot two balls?
At first I would have thought this was done by TCD on purpose in order to increase the difficulty. But after coming back from some backtracking, I noticed some of them only had one shot then.


- Some of those stones let the shots go through and the others don't, so it is a bit obvious to know that some of them will fill a certain role. I believe this is a limitation of the game engine though.


- No "tension" music when you get near the end of the level?


- Would it be possible to move this node one row above? The CPU seems to like to get stuck behind it. It is not a really big deal because after a short while he is teleported but there is a short time when he is not here when his help could be useful.
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Old 26 June 2010, 02:51   #9
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I was lucky enough to do some beta testing, this level rocks. Thanks TCD
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Old 26 June 2010, 02:54   #10
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- CPU taking the "players saved" yin-yang pickups?
I am pretty sure that I read somewhere in one of the EAB threads about CE that CPU players were supposed not to take any item that will "alter" the level (keys and players saved especially). I have seen mine do that several times.
Hmm, this would be a game issue. Don't remember how the original levels behaved, but there nothing I can do about it


Curse you for spotting it Not really, you're my next beta tester for sure It's a 'dirty' trick which secret won't be revealed (it shouldn't effect gameplay at all)

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- Apparently some of those pod thingies that shoot slime balls (or whatever they are) spawn two times. As a consequence they can shoot two balls?
At first I would have thought this was done by TCD on purpose in order to increase the difficulty. But after coming back from some backtracking, I noticed some of them only had one shot then.
I wondered about that aswell and certainly will have a second look now Thanks for mentioning the backtrack bit

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- Some of those stones let the shots go through and the others don't, so it is a bit obvious to know that some of them will fill a certain role. I believe this is a limitation of the game engine though.
That's a 'bug' So, well... cheers

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- No "tension" music when you get near the end of the level?
Well spotted, as I haven't used the music change feature at all yet. Will do for the final version

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- Would it be possible to move this node one row above? The CPU seems to like to get stuck behind it. It is not a really big deal because after a short while he is teleported but there is a short time when he is not here when his help could be useful.
Well spotted Will do that for the next version (tomorrow ).

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I was lucky enough to do some beta testing, this level rocks. Thanks TCD
And a big thanks to you for having a look at the very first bits and giving some feedback Hope that you will enjoy the next levels as much as you did this one
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Old 26 June 2010, 08:19   #11
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Don't wanna spoil the fun so I'll wait until you've finished your TCE - TCD Edition.
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Old 26 June 2010, 11:42   #12
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Okay, updated version is ready. Fixed the 'two balls' and 'shoot through walls' issue. I also moved the node lilalurl mentioned (infact I moved everything around it ) one 'tile' down. Still the CPU likes that spot, so nothing I can do about it, if he still gets stuck.

Added music info, yet I'm not sure they work as intended Feedback would be nice

Oh and I also slightly decreased the difficulty. As a result I was able to...



No life lost, full health. I hope Dast won't hate me for it

First post for the download.

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Hehe, maybe there will be a world 1 in the future, but I'm certainly not mad enough to make 15 more maps
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Old 26 June 2010, 11:51   #13
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Looks fantastic TCD, nice work!
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Old 26 June 2010, 13:29   #14
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Rocking Level there TCD - Nice level layout very professional layout.
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Old 26 June 2010, 13:34   #15
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Thanks Muzzy and Boo Boo Tried my best to make it a worthwhile play.
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Old 26 June 2010, 14:26   #16
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I will check this out later

Maybe if enough people contributed we could have our own EAB version of The Chaos Engine? I think that would be pretty cool.
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Old 26 June 2010, 14:32   #17
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Maybe if enough people contributed we could have our own EAB version of The Chaos Engine? I think that would be pretty cool.
Well, that's what I tried this week. Maybe seeing a result will help to get people into trying the editor at least. I made a kind of FAQ along the way, which can be found on the IRC channel #chaosconstruct for those who are interested. Fingers crossed that we'll get there some day

Edit : The FAQ is also included in the official docs now Of course feel free to join IRC and ask questions.

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Old 26 June 2010, 15:11   #18
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"Level completed". Pretty sure I got everything too
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Old 26 June 2010, 15:25   #19
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Well done!

Small update on behalf of the Dast : Minor layout change (because it's more Bitmap Brotherish this way ) and added a secret (not a really fancy one )

Beta 3 download in the first post.
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Played the level and only found 1 secret. Must be a bit rusty

Nice work!! If you plan to set this level as "first level", the other ones should be even harder

Do you plan to implement "multiple exits" ? I saw that nowhere in the docs.
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