WHDLoad & Trident/SUBWAY incompatibility: Will it ever be fixed?

alkis21 · 28 May 2010, 11:45

I'm sure most of you know by now that there are compatibility issues between many WHDLoad patches and the Trident software used by the SUBWAY USB controller. The software needs to be disabled before those games are run otherwise they don't work.

My question is, are there any thoughts on a future WHDLoad release that will fix this problem? Can it even be fixed?

Galahad/FLT · 28 May 2010, 14:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by alkis21

I'm sure most of you know by now that there are compatibility issues between many WHDLoad patches and the Trident software used by the SUBWAY USB controller. The software needs to be disabled before those games are run otherwise they don't work.

My question is, are there any thoughts on a future WHDLoad release that will fix this problem? Can it even be fixed?

In a word.... No.

Its not just WHDLoad, its mainly because many of the games (probably over 90%) disabling AmigaDOS and bang the hardware directly, so they would automatically knock out anything running in the background in any case.

alkis21 · 29 May 2010, 18:42

I see, thanks for the answer.

watertonian · 29 May 2010, 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

In a word.... No.

Its not just WHDLoad, its mainly because many of the games (probably over 90%) disabling AmigaDOS and bang the hardware directly, so they would automatically knock out anything running in the background in any case.

Would it still be possible to insert a rudimentary HID USB class into WHDLoad itself? I'm guessing most people would want USB support for gamepads and such. SubWay just clips into the clockport, not sure if WHDload could manually activate it, and poll HID info from it directly, and repmap it as CD32 controller input, while still maintaining game timing ad such? Not too familiar with USB standards, other than them being complicated as hell. (At least compared to a 9-pin joystick) Though my Logitech gamepad would be cool for AB3DII. I know that any program doing this directly would have to sift through 127 device numbers (+ the root hub) to find the joystick. Tooltype configuration might help, but people might swap a joystick from this hub to that, so a device number would be useless. Unless you go by the deviced ID, which means having to go into poseidan and copying it. Assuming H/W banging games don't disable the clockport outright, anyway.

Cammy · 30 May 2010, 01:05

Maybe there's a chance ANAIIS could be made to work with WHDLoad, it's a lot less complex than Poseidon and handles I/O devices like joypads well. I have played a few games with the USB mouse which I didn't expect to be able to play (on my A600 with Subway) like Hillsea Lido, and it works with all the Sim games I've tried (SimAnt, SimEarth...)

Wepl · 30 May 2010, 10:59

there are insufficient development resources for this
as Galahad already noted, most game installs would need to be adapted for this

alkis21 · 30 May 2010, 12:28

OK I have a much simpler request (at least I think so). How about a new 'Disable USB' Tooltype?

For the games that cannot be run while Trident is on, I create custom executable files that disable it. For instance, this is the Gobliiins executable:

Quote:

hd:c/addusbhardware REMOVE ALL
wait 2 secs
WHDLoad Gobliiins.slave Preload

Can we have a Toolype that does the above (first two lines)? It would be very helpful to me.

Wepl · 30 May 2010, 13:00

please use options ExecuteStartup and ExecuteCleanup for this.
beta package whd170.lha also contains example scripts

alkis21 · 30 May 2010, 13:19

Sorry to be a pain, but can you please explain the syntax of these commands? I can't get them to work.

Bamiga2002 · 30 May 2010, 13:27

One thread here:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...light=poseidon

And the answer here:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...seidon+whdload

alkis21 · 30 May 2010, 13:35

Uh... thanks but that second one was actually my thread, I know of that solution as that's what I've been using for years, I'm trying to figure out an easier alternative that can be implemented in the WHDLoad .info file.

TCD · 30 May 2010, 13:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by alkis21

Sorry to be a pain, but can you please explain the syntax of these commands? I can't get them to work.

Remove the ';' at the start of this line in the 'WHDLoad.prefs' file :

Code:

;ExecuteStartup=Execute S:WHDLoad-Startup    ;command to execute on WHDLoad startup

Then also remove the ';' on this line of the 'WHDLoad-Startup' file :

Code:

;C:AddUSBHardware REMOVE ALL

Do the same for the cleanup (should be obvious).

alkis21 · 30 May 2010, 13:49

This is not good for what I need because it would disable USB every time I ran WHDLoad, however I don't want that because I actually keep many WHDLoad games in my USB drive (my hard disk is quite small). So I guess we're back to square one...

Hewitson · 16 July 2010, 08:45

Upgrade your hard drive. Problem solved.

T_hairy_bootson · 16 July 2010, 09:34

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...ghlight=cursed

Hewitson · 16 July 2010, 09:52

Ah, didn't realise this was that poor bloke..

It sounds like he has got the problem sorted out now, so replacing the drive shouldn't be an issue.

You probably want something bigger, but I have a spare 700mb one you can have for postage if you're interested.

TCD · 16 July 2010, 09:55

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=53742

alkis21 · 16 July 2010, 13:21

Yup, that poor bloke would be me

As TheCyberDruid indicated, I'm all set now with a 3.2GB hard disk that I managed to fill up to 98% with games. My project is complete and I will write a post about it soon.

For what it's worth, I still think that WHDLoad Tooltype would be useful to have.

Retrofan · 13 January 2011, 22:37

I don`t know about those commands to disable the USB. I just click on an Icon for USB or another No USB. They were time ago in the Zone, before I joined here.
They make life easier.

mfilos · 14 January 2011, 09:05

You can use the following scripts to Enable/Disable USB easily.

Enable USB:
SYS:Prefs/Env-Archive/PsdStackLoader

Disable USB:
SYS:C/AddUSBHardware REMOVE ALL

Adding a Project Icon to the script with "C:IconX" as "Default Tool" will make them GUI-able

28 May 2010, 11:45	#1
alkis21 Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Athens, Greece Age: 38 Posts: 1,116	WHDLoad & Trident/SUBWAY incompatibility: Will it ever be fixed? I'm sure most of you know by now that there are compatibility issues between many WHDLoad patches and the Trident software used by the SUBWAY USB controller. The software needs to be disabled before those games are run otherwise they don't work. My question is, are there any thoughts on a future WHDLoad release that will fix this problem? Can it even be fixed? __________________ Do you like classic adventure games? Check out Diamonds in the Rough!

29 May 2010, 18:42	#3
alkis21 Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Athens, Greece Age: 38 Posts: 1,116	I see, thanks for the answer. __________________ Do you like classic adventure games? Check out Diamonds in the Rough!

30 May 2010, 01:05	#5
Cammy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Gold Coast, Australia Age: 28 Posts: 1,098	Maybe there's a chance ANAIIS could be made to work with WHDLoad, it's a lot less complex than Poseidon and handles I/O devices like joypads well. I have played a few games with the USB mouse which I didn't expect to be able to play (on my A600 with Subway) like Hillsea Lido, and it works with all the Sim games I've tried (SimAnt, SimEarth...) __________________ A1200 030@28Mhz/2MB+32MB/RTC/KS3.1/IDE-CF+4GB/4-Way Clockport Expander/S-Video/PCMCIA NIC A1200 020@14Mhz/2MB+8MB/FPU/RTC/KS3.0/IDE-CF+2GB/IndivisionAGA CD32 020@14Mhz/2MB+8MB/RTC/KS3.1/IDE-CF+4GB A600 000@7Mhz/2MB+2MB/RTC/ROM Switcher/KS3.1+1.3/IDE-CF+4GB/Subway USB/S-Video/PCMCIA NIC/USB Numeric Keypad+Hub+Mouse+Control Pad A500 000@7Mhz/512kB+512kB/ROM Switcher/KS3.1+1.3/S-Video Get AmigaOS for your PC, it's FREE and comes in two flavours! www.icarosdesktop.org www.aros-broadway.de

30 May 2010, 13:19	#9
alkis21 Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Athens, Greece Age: 38 Posts: 1,116	Sorry to be a pain, but can you please explain the syntax of these commands? I can't get them to work. __________________ Do you like classic adventure games? Check out Diamonds in the Rough!

30 May 2010, 13:27	#10
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30 May 2010, 10:59	#6
Wepl Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 504	there are insufficient development resources for this as Galahad already noted, most game installs would need to be adapted for this

30 May 2010, 13:00	#8
Wepl Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 504	please use options ExecuteStartup and ExecuteCleanup for this. beta package whd170.lha also contains example scripts

30 May 2010, 13:35	#11
alkis21 Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Athens, Greece Age: 38 Posts: 1,116	Uh... thanks but that second one was actually my thread, I know of that solution as that's what I've been using for years, I'm trying to figure out an easier alternative that can be implemented in the WHDLoad .info file. __________________ Do you like classic adventure games? Check out Diamonds in the Rough!

30 May 2010, 13:49	#13
alkis21 Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Athens, Greece Age: 38 Posts: 1,116	This is not good for what I need because it would disable USB every time I ran WHDLoad, however I don't want that because I actually keep many WHDLoad games in my USB drive (my hard disk is quite small). So I guess we're back to square one... __________________ Do you like classic adventure games? Check out Diamonds in the Rough!

16 July 2010, 08:45	#14
Hewitson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 30 Posts: 1,390	Upgrade your hard drive. Problem solved. __________________ "The sad thing is that today's computers totally abuse their memory - totally wasteful, you have to wait for the damn things to boot up, just appalling designs." -Sir Clive Sinclair

16 July 2010, 09:52	#16
Hewitson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 30 Posts: 1,390	Ah, didn't realise this was that poor bloke.. It sounds like he has got the problem sorted out now, so replacing the drive shouldn't be an issue. You probably want something bigger, but I have a spare 700mb one you can have for postage if you're interested. __________________ "The sad thing is that today's computers totally abuse their memory - totally wasteful, you have to wait for the damn things to boot up, just appalling designs." -Sir Clive Sinclair

16 July 2010, 09:55	#17
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16 July 2010, 13:21	#18
alkis21 Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Athens, Greece Age: 38 Posts: 1,116	Yup, that poor bloke would be me As TheCyberDruid indicated, I'm all set now with a 3.2GB hard disk that I managed to fill up to 98% with games. My project is complete and I will write a post about it soon. For what it's worth, I still think that WHDLoad Tooltype would be useful to have. __________________ Do you like classic adventure games? Check out Diamonds in the Rough!

13 January 2011, 22:37	#19
Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 2,676	I don`t know about those commands to disable the USB. I just click on an Icon for USB or another No USB. They were time ago in the Zone, before I joined here. They make life easier. __________________ AmiKit for Real Amigas Released, Click Here A1200 1D1, 8Gb SSD Hd, ACA 1231/42. A1200 2B, Lateral slot for Cf Hd's, Tray system Dvd. ACA1230/56, Fast Ata MKII, Indivision MkII with Hdmi. A1200 1D1, Lateral slot for Cf Hd's, Tray system Dvd, Clockport expander, Delfina, Subway, IDefix, BPPC, BVision, Acard with lateral slot for Scsi Cf HD... C=64 with ITX inside. Posting with it.

14 January 2011, 09:05	#20
mfilos Paranoid Amigoid Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Athens/Greece Age: 34 Posts: 1,317	You can use the following scripts to Enable/Disable USB easily. Enable USB: SYS:Prefs/Env-Archive/PsdStackLoader Disable USB: SYS:C/AddUSBHardware REMOVE ALL Adding a Project Icon to the script with "C:IconX" as "Default Tool" will make them GUI-able __________________ Visit my Amiga blog here - A4000D: 060@50/604@180, 384MB,ACard+80GB HD,SCSI Multicard Reader,DVD-RW,Grex4000 (RTG/Sound/NIC),Indivision 4000,RTG/AGA AutoSwitch,Deneb,ZorRAM - A600: 030@37.5, 64MB, A604, 16GB CF, Indivision ECS, Subway, MAS-Player (internal), Custom Audio Mixer, HxC SD+Slim floppy (internal)

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