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Old 20 May 2010, 21:35   #41
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Cloanto support the community which is still around.
Cloanto sent an Amiga Forever 2008 DVD to Renzo, the coder of AmiGame.

It was to thanks us for the job which was done on Amigame and for the fact that we still produce something for Amiga community (even if Amigame is for the moment, only for PC).
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Old 20 May 2010, 21:43   #42
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It was a gift for you AmiGame programmer. How is this support for a community in any kind? Toni got Amiga hardware from Cloanto, because he allowed them to use WinUAE on their CDs/DVDs.That's a kind of support imho.
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It was a gift for you AmiGame programmer. How is this support for a community in any kind? Toni got Amiga hardware from Cloanto, because he allowed them to use WinUAE on their CDs/DVDs.That's a kind of support imho.
I'm a bit dense, but can you elaborate what's the difference?

Or is it because Toni could potentially extract some useful info from the hardware provided? Or is AniGame something that is not useful to the community in any way (I'm not familiar with AniGame).
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Toni got Amiga hardware from Cloanto, because he allowed them to use WinUAE on their CDs/DVDs.That's a kind of support imho.
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Or is it because Toni could potentially extract some useful info from the hardware provided?
IIRC, wasn't it Toni's preference to receive such support by means of hardware donations in Cloanto's case?

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IIRC, wasn't it Toni's preference to receive such support by means of hardware dontations in Cloanto's case?
Can't remember that far... (hardly can remember yesterday )

I just don't see any difference in between Cloanto supporting Toni and some other developer (which apparently is a frontend for winuae?), so I don't "get" what Retro-Nerd is trying to say.

The form of support isn't particularly important, as I understand Cloanto didn't have to support either one in any way, so ANY support is better than none, right?

Edit: Oh wait. "Toni allowed"? Is WinUAE GPL or is it not? (couldn't see it in WinUAE about page, but isn't it originally a fork of UAE, which is? has license changed at some point?)
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Toni got hardware, so he can improve WinUAE with his logic analyzer gadgets. What can a frontend programmer do with an Amiga Forever 2008 DVD? Looks more like a promotional gift.
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Well, that's true. But does everything have to have immediate production value until it can be considered as a form of support?

Companies need to stop encouraging employees with bonuses then.
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And it's still no contribution for the so called "community" but a gift for a single person. That was my point here.
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Ah, ok.

So in your opinion, since Toni can use the contribution to benefit us all, it was a more "worthy" contribution?

I can understand that line of thinking. I don't exactly agree, but now I understand what you were getting at. Thanks.
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...it was a more "worthy" contribution?
Not worthy, much much more useful.
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Come on folks, we all have different opinions about Cloanto and its reason for being loved or hated or whether it is even worth the price etc. Maybe its time to calm down a bit as things seem to be getting a bit heated up at the moment as well as personal, it is after all just another disk following in the line of all the previous ones, got one and you've got just about the lot!
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So basically it should be like this then.

1. Sell Amiga Forever without any free-software in it.
2. During installing of Amiga Forever it will ask to download WinUAE for free from www.winuae.net

So they only sell the paid-parts of their product.
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Old 21 May 2010, 10:18   #53
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So why? There is no point in not selling free software.
It would be fair if Cloanto donated some of his revenue to support Toni's efforts, but actually he did so (in hardware) and we have no information on the extent.

EDIT: By "free" I mean GPL and similar licenses.
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Maybe we should leave it to Toni and Cloanto and just move on?
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Old 21 May 2010, 10:29   #55
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@TheCyberDruid

Youre right, we're going a bit off-topic. drifting off too much.

I just wanted to announce that AF 2010 was released.. thats all
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Right. This time they included some new A3000 ROMs.
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Old 21 May 2010, 17:32   #57
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I'm mainly (if not only) interested in knowing what games are included this time, and whether they've bundled any CDTV/CD≥≤ stuff what with the new RP9 update.

Still curious to know why the unique AF version of Another World was included only in the 2006 version.
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If you want i can check it out for you
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Unique? Why was it unique?
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Because it was different to all the others.
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