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Old 19 May 2010, 23:41   #21
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I bought it for the Workbench disks and kickstarts. If it's there to buy, then that's what I do.
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Old 19 May 2010, 23:51   #22
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But as you say, the emulator is "freely distributable", so you aren't paying for that.
You are paying for the licensed Kickstarts and Workbench and the "wrapping" to make it purty...
Exactly.

Moreover, is included emulator GPL? If so, there's nothing wrong in selling it (perfectly ok under GPL - in fact, even encouraged).

I don't have Amiga Forever myself, so I have no idea if there's actual value in the package (apart from the KS ROMs/WB), but sounds a bit pricey for a front-end. But nothing wrong with that - you can buy or not.
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Old 20 May 2010, 01:43   #23
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That's right. Yup, I do know how GPL works and, as I stated, Cloanto's business model is 100% legal. As Macarra also stated "You can buy it or not". I was just trying to expose why I won't.

Of course including WinUAE in a commercial package is not a crime. It's just that sometimes "legal" doesn't mean we are forced to agree, and I don't agree the way they are using their license, wether "mysterious owner" is to blame or not. I honestly think that forcing people who don't have a real Amiga to buy their pack if they just want to do some basic classic Amiga emulation is counterproductive not only for us all, but also to their own interests. It's making potential clients go away, as I see it.

Someday perhaps we'll see KS and WB stuff beeing free and open. Then Cloanto should search for a real major selling point to Amiga Forever. That hopeful day the real Amiga bussines could take off.

Just my humble view of it all!

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Old 20 May 2010, 01:48   #24
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Hmm, not sure I would list that on the big plus side. It's quite expensive for a frontend while others are completely free. Yes, they license the KS and WB images, but that's not what they ask most of the money for (at least I don't hope so). No comment on the 'support the community' bit
If you like their product, buy and use it.
Well, I know that they donate to the Aros bounties, which is useful for us, AROS lovers. They may get a bit "software-nazi" sometimes though.

I am not paying for the frontend, I paid the money for a copy off All workbenches, and roms from 1.x to 3.1, and Workbench 3.9, for use with Amikit, Classic WB, and AmigaSYS, which I use on my Real amiga, and Amiga Explorer is nice.

Now if I could of just downloaded all that for free, "legally" I would of, since I can't it doesn't bother me to spend some small money on it.

But, it is just my opinion, since if I added up all the costs I have spent on my Amiga, 29$, isn't much .

PS. Over 1k in total I guess, but it does look so nice in it's tower. hehe
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Old 20 May 2010, 02:14   #25
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Cloanto support the community which is still around.
Exactly how?
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Old 20 May 2010, 10:25   #26
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The way I see it, WinUAE is integral to the Amiga Forever package and as such it would, in my opinion, only be fair for some small portion of the sale price to go to Toni.

I don't know if in reality that happens or it doesn't but I do seem to remember Toni mentioning in the past that Cloanto have supplied bits of hardware and things to him for help in working on emulating things.

Anyway, Toni could confirm what, if anything, Cloanto do in terms of support to him but *if* Cloanto *do* support him then that for me would make purchasing Amiga Forever a worthwhile gesture.

Of course, if you *still* didn't like Cloanto enough to buy AF you could always just cut out the middle man and donate to WinUAE development instead...
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Old 20 May 2010, 10:53   #27
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you're saying give money to Cloanto if they supply Toni with incentives
but if you don't like Cloanto give the money straight to him?

mmm... why not just donate to his efforts and pretend Cloanto don't exist - if everyone did they wouldnt.

oh, and how much have YOU given to Toni?

(btw i wouldnt use that Cloanto front-end if it were free. Tbh I borrowed it from a friend, used it for about 5 mins and deleted the whole bloated thing from my HDD - waste of space.)
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@pmc & Falcon Flight
There is a donate link on the WinUAE site. Just saying...
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Old 20 May 2010, 12:12   #29
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There is a donate link on the WinUAE site. Just saying...
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Old 20 May 2010, 12:16   #30
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we should all donate € directly proportional to our post-count.
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Old 20 May 2010, 12:18   #31
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we should all donate directly proportional to our post-count.
Agreed, the lesser the post count the more that should be contributed.
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Old 20 May 2010, 12:25   #32
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aww man you disappoint with such a clumsy flip-back
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we should all donate directly proportional to our post-count.
Ah, funny. Guess you've already donated and that's why you like to encourage others to donate now.
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Old 20 May 2010, 12:47   #34
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aww man you disappoint with such a clumsy flip-back
I'm not on these forums to grow my e-penis. Well done, you have great "flip-backs".
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Old 20 May 2010, 12:49   #35
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@ Falcon Flight - Still making big efforts to increase your forum popularity I see.

Don't worry yourself, I've already donated to WinUAE directly, twice in the last six months if I remember correctly... As to the amounts, well, that's between me and Toni isn't it.

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There is a donate link on the WinUAE site. Just saying...
Yep, that's what I was referring to.
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Old 20 May 2010, 12:58   #36
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@ Falcon Flight - Still making big efforts to increase your forum popularity I see.

Don't worry yourself, I've already donated to WinUAE directly, twice in the last six months if I remember correctly... As to the amounts, well, that's between me and Toni isn't it.
the question was rhetorical, a figure of speech. Nobody is worried and nobody cares.
(and i guess humility of not revealing good deeds is lost on you.)
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Nobody is worried and nobody cares.
Why ask about whether I'd made any donation myself in an accusitory manner then...?

In fact, if you don't care about something, why post at all?

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(and i guess humility of not revealing good deeds is lost on you.)
Did you notice that in my initial post I just encouraged people to donate to WinUAE by whatever method they saw fit with no mention of myself?

You do like to argue don't you?

Normally I find it's best only to do that when you've got a chance of making a salient point.

Otherwise you just look petty and a bit childish.
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Old 20 May 2010, 13:11   #38
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wow. i can't believe how lost in this you are.
right now i have as much to say to you as i do a brick wall.
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Old 20 May 2010, 14:02   #39
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Come on folks, we all have different opinions about Cloanto and its reason for being loved or hated or whether it is even worth the price etc. Maybe its time to calm down a bit as things seem to be getting a bit heated up at the moment as well as personal, it is after all just another disk following in the line of all the previous ones, got one and you've got just about the lot!
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Old 20 May 2010, 14:59   #40
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I already sent an email that Cloanto should create some sort of "new suggestion/features" topic for future versions of AF.. I think that would be nice. So everyone could suggest of what they would like or wouldnt like to see in AF in the future
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