CF card and dual boot (AmigaOS/AmigaSYS)

[JackTheKnife]

I have got a CF card with two partitions: AmigaOS (CHD0) and AmigaSYS (CHD1). By default booting to AmigaOS but when I try to switch to AmigaSYS (CHD1) at the early startup meny it won't to boot - I have got only KS boot screen. This same when I will pick AmigaOS (CHD0) at the early startup.

Any idea what I am doing wrong? Thanks.

[cosmicfrog]

have you ticked bootable in HDTools

[JackTheKnife]

Yes

[cosmicfrog]

well thats me out of ideas then, surprised you haven`t had many replies

sounds strange that you can`t select which partion to boot from from early startup

[JackTheKnife]

Yes. It is srange for me too. This card was bought here http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...id=p2761.l1259 Is there any way to check what is on the second partition?

[cosmicfrog]

dir CHD1: ????

realy don`t know
don`t know why they are called chd1 & chd2, might be beter to start again but call partions dh1 & dh2

what size is cf card ? not that any size should be a problem well if its over 4 gig then theres a few tricks to use but still not a problem

dose the card boot at all, sounds like it dose

edit right just read that link

from sounds of it you doing it wrong heheheheh, though just reread it and you may be doing it right after all, I sugest you email the seller as it sounds like something is corrupted on the card.

as a side note a bet the seller has no permission to be selling wb

you could put the card in a pc and use winUAE to look at it

[JackTheKnife]

It is 2GB CF card and I emailed the seller which told me that I am doing something wrong to boot from the second partition :\

[ppill]

Can you post a picture of the devices (boot options) in the early stratup control?

[ppill]

Can you access the second drive 'CHD1:' when using the default boot partition? Has it got a valid startup-sequence in S:?

[JackTheKnife]

Originally Posted by ppill

Can you access the second drive 'CHD1:' when using the default boot partition? Has it got a valid startup-sequence in S:?

Yes - I can see mounted AmigaSYS partition. Here you have a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P77OGdrmyJE

[cosmicfrog]

whats that clicking sound ?
you seem to be doing it right
when you boot chd0 can you then see cdh1 in hdtools ? or dose it show an icon on workbench

[JackTheKnife]

Clicks come from the floppy drive (A1200 is open). I can see CDH1 at the HDToolBox and I have AmigaSYS icon on WB.

[thomas]

Originally Posted by JackTheKnife

Here you have a video:

Does this only happen if you select CDH1 ? What happens if you select CDH0 and click on boot ? What happens if you don't change anything and only click on boot ? What happens if you click on boot without startup-sequence ?

Up to now I would say that the CF card does not survive a software reset. What happens for example if you run the Reboot program which is on the Install 3.1 disk ?

What happens if you change boot priorities in HDToolbox (CDH0 = prio 0 and CDH1 = prio 1) and then use Ctrl-A-A to reboot ?

What happens if you change the file system of a partition to something else and back in HDToolbox so that it asks you to reboot ?

[cosmicfrog]

thats 1 clicky floppy drive you got there, never heard one click like that before

well I`m out of ideas sorry, spose you checked that complete system is there, if it is
send it back for a replacement, like I said bet seller has no license to sell wb
and his help, you must be doing something wrong is of little use

yay thomas to the rescue heheheheh
yep I`d have different priorities as well

[JackTheKnife]

Originally Posted by thomas

Does this only happen if you select CDH1 ? What happens if you select CDH0 and click on boot ? What happens if you don't change anything and only click on boot ? What happens if you click on boot without startup-sequence ?

Is this same situation. No boot, only the Kickstart welcome screen.

[ppill]

Originally Posted by JackTheKnife

Yes - I can see mounted AmigaSYS partition. Here you have a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P77OGdrmyJE

OK, that's weird... I though you were getting at least a shell window (like when you boot without a startup-sequence).

Like others suggested the priorities might be a problem. Here's a tip: if you change the CDH0: priority to something higher than 5 you'll avoid that clicking sound and shave off a few secs of boot time. The downside being that whenever you'll want to boot from a floppy disk you'll need to choose DF0: manually from the menu.

[JackTheKnife]

Originally Posted by cosmicfrog

thats 1 clicky floppy drive you got there, never heard one click like that before

idk, maybe it was something different then clicks from the FFD and just it was circumstance with another environmental sound

[JackTheKnife]

Can somebody explain to me why at the HDToolBox device status comes as changed for that CF card? It was from the beginning.

[ppill]

OK so:

When you turn the Amiga on it boots using the first CDH0 partition? Right?

Then when you press Crtl+A+A it boots to it again? Right?

But when you press Crtl+A+A and enter the early startup menu and choose CDH0 or CDH1 you get the kickstart screen? Right? And does the same thing happen when you enter the menu right after powering up?

[JackTheKnife]

Originally Posted by ppill

OK so:

When you turn the Amiga on it boots using the first CDH0 partition? Right?

Then when you press Crtl+A+A it boots to it again? Right?

But when you press Crtl+A+A and enter the early startup menu and choose CDH0 or CDH1 you get the kickstart screen? Right? And does the same thing happen when you enter the menu right after powering up?

Yes

PS.
Nie zauwazylem ze jestes z PL

[ppill]

Originally Posted by JackTheKnife

Can somebody explain to me why at the HDToolBox device status comes as changed for that CF card? It was from the beginning.

Have you tried clicking 'Save changes to drive' and rebooting?

[JackTheKnife]

Originally Posted by ppill

Have you tried clicking 'Save changes to drive' and rebooting?

Nope - idk what is going to do but if it is safe I can do.

[ppill]

Originally Posted by JackTheKnife

Nope - idk what is going to do but if it is safe I can do.

Well if you do it without changing anything it's safe.

My guess is that the RDB (something like MBR on the PC, where all the information about partitions and filesystems is stored) is messed up.

Can you download this and post the results?

Heh, pozdrowienia z Wawy

[JackTheKnife]

I will download this tomorrow. I have no floppy in my PeCee :\

[portarinos]

I've never had a similar problem although i have been using a CF (as IDE hard drive) with my miggy. I have tested a bunch of OS's with that. OS3.9, OS 3.1, OS4, Amigasys, Classic WB and never had anything to report about boot problems. A couple of rough ideas:

-have you tried to disable 3.1 and enable only the Amigasys partition as the boot one?

- in the end of the day, did you try and reinstall Amigasys and see what happens?

In case you have installed anything on your Amigasys partition you should think of clearing it up as this could be a problem. I remember having an issue with IDEFIX but as soon as i unistalled it Amigasys could boot up normally again.

In any case let us know. It seems like you'll have to reinstall Amigasys and/or try ClassicWB

[cosmicfrog]

don`t you hate it when ppl offer advice without looking at all the evidence

this card was brought with an adapter and already partioned with wb3.1 and amigasys

[JackTheKnife]

I hate when ppl offer an advice? where?

[cosmicfrog]

Originally Posted by portarinos

- in the end of the day, did you try and reinstall Amigasys and see what happens?

you never installed anything did you

[JackTheKnife]

Originally Posted by ppill

Well if you do it without changing anything it's safe.

My guess is that the RDB (something like MBR on the PC, where all the information about partitions and filesystems is stored) is messed up.

Can you download this and post the results?

Heh, pozdrowienia z Wawy

OK. I have got that software but what do you need to post? I had the screen scrolling 3-4 times. I have no idea hot to save this to file

[ppill]

Originally Posted by JackTheKnife

OK. I have got that software but what do you need to post? I had the screen scrolling 3-4 times. I have no idea hot to save this to file

Try something like:

rdb-informer >ram:output.txt

copy the txt file and post it here.

[JackTheKnife]

Hard-blocks information of 'scsi.device' unit 0

Rigid Disk Block found at block 0  ---  CheckSum is OK.

 ID           = $5244534B = 'RDSK'     block identifier
 SummedLongs  = $00000040 =         64 size of RDB structure
 ChkSum       = $501B8537 = 1343980855 block checksum
 HostID       = $00000007 =          7 SCSI Target ID of host(controller)
 BlockBytes   = $00000200 =        512 size of disk blocks
 Flags        = $00000012 =
                RDBF_LASTLUN    - Last LUN on this SCSI-address
                                - Drive supports scsi reselection
                RDBF_DISKID     - RDB contains valid disk identification

 --- Block list heads ($FFFFFFFF or -1 is none):
 BadBlockList      = $FFFFFFFF =         -1 optional bad block list
 PartitionList     = $00000001 =          1 optional first partition block
 FileSysHeaderList = $00000003 =          3 optional file system header block
 DriveInit         = $FFFFFFFF =         -1 optional drive-specific init code

 --- Physical drive characteristics:
 Cylinders    = $00000F45 =       3909 number of drive cylinders
 Sectors      = $0000003F =         63 sectors per track
 Heads        = $00000010 =         16 number of drive heads
 Interleave   = $00000001 =          1 interleave
 Park         = $00000F45 =       3909 landing zone cylinder
 WritePreComp = $00000F45 =       3909 starting cylinder: write precompensation
 ReducedWrite = $00000F45 =       3909 starting cylinder: reduced write current
 StepRate     = $00000003 =          3 drive step rate

 --- Logical drive characteristics
 RDBBlocksLo     = $00000000 =          0
    low block of range reserved for these hardblocks
 RDBBlocksHi     = $000007DF =       2015
    high block of range reserved for these hardblocks
 LoCylinder      = $00000002 =          2
    low cylinder of partitionable disk area
 HiCylinder      = $00000F44 =       3908
    high cylinder of partitionable disk are
 CylBlocks       = $000003F0 =       1008 number of blocks per cylinder
 AutoParkSeconds = $00000000 =          0 zero means no autopark
 HighRDSKBlock   = $00000035 =         53 highest block used by RDB

 --- Drive identification
 - Disk identification :
 DiskVendor        = 'CF      '
 DiskProduct       = 'Card 2gb        '
 DiskRevision      = 'Ver2'

 - Controller identification :
 *** not avaliable.

Partition Block at block 1  ---  CheckSum is OK.
 Partition CDH0:
 Flags          = $00000001 =
                  PBF_BOOTABLE    - Partition is bootable
                                  - Partition is automaticaly mounted
 DevFlags       = $00000000 =          0 Preferred flags for OpenDevice
 DosEnvec block with 16 entries
 SizeBlock      = $00000080 =        128 block size in longwords
 SecOrg         = $00000000 =          0 not used
 Surfaces       = $00000010 =         16 number of heads
 SectorPerBlock = $00000001 =          1 not used; must be 1
 BlocksPerTrack = $0000003F =         63 number of blocks per track
 Reserved       = $00000002 =          2 DOS reserved blocks at start of partition
 PreAlloc       = $00000000 =          0 DOS reserved blocks at end of partition
 Interleave     = $00000000 =          0 (usually 0)
 LowCyl         = $00000002 =          2 starting cylinder
 HighCyl        = $000007A3 =       1955 ending cylinder
 NumBuffers     = $0000001E =         30 initial number of buffers
 BufMemType     = $00000000 =          0 type of memory for buffers
 MaxTransfer    = $00FFFFFF =   16777215 max number of bytes to transfer at a time
 Mask           = $7FFFFFFE = 2147483646 address mask to block out certain memory
 BootPri        = $00000000 =          0 boot priority for autoboot
 DosType        = $444F5301 = 'DOS
'     HEX string showing filesystem type

Partition Block at block 2  ---  CheckSum is OK.
 Partition CDH1:
 Flags          = $00000001 =
                  PBF_BOOTABLE    - Partition is bootable
                                  - Partition is automaticaly mounted
 DevFlags       = $00000000 =          0 Preferred flags for OpenDevice
 DosEnvec block with 16 entries
 SizeBlock      = $00000080 =        128 block size in longwords
 SecOrg         = $00000000 =          0 not used
 Surfaces       = $00000010 =         16 number of heads
 SectorPerBlock = $00000001 =          1 not used; must be 1
 BlocksPerTrack = $0000003F =         63 number of blocks per track
 Reserved       = $00000002 =          2 DOS reserved blocks at start of partition
 PreAlloc       = $00000000 =          0 DOS reserved blocks at end of partition
 Interleave     = $00000000 =          0 (usually 0)
 LowCyl         = $000007A4 =       1956 starting cylinder
 HighCyl        = $00000F44 =       3908 ending cylinder
 NumBuffers     = $0000001E =         30 initial number of buffers
 BufMemType     = $00000000 =          0 type of memory for buffers
 MaxTransfer    = $00FFFFFF =   16777215 max number of bytes to transfer at a time
 Mask           = $7FFFFFFE = 2147483646 address mask to block out certain memory
 BootPri        = $00000000 =          0 boot priority for autoboot
 DosType        = $444F5301 = 'DOS
'     HEX string showing filesystem type

There are total 2 valid partitions on this drive.

File System Header Block at block 3  ---  CheckSum is OK.

 Size      = $0000600C =      24588 bytes
 Size      = $00000032 =         50 blocks
 Flags     = $00000000 = ?????
 DosType   = $444F5301 = 'DOS
'
 Version   = $00280001 =    40.1     release version of this code
 PatchFlags= $00000180 = ?????
 Type      = $00000000 =          0 device node type : zero
 Task      = $00000000 =          0 DOS task field : zero
 Lock      = $00000000 =          0 not used for devices : zero
 Handler   = $00000000 =          0 filename to loadseg : zero placeholder
 StackSize = $00000000 =          0 stacksize to use when starting task
 Priority  = $00000000 =          0 task priority when starting task
 Startup   = $00000000 =          0 startup message : zero placeholder
 SegListBlocks=$00000004=         4 linked list of LoadSegBlocks
 GlobalVec = $FFFFFFFF =         -1 BCPL global vector when starting task
 Res2[0]   = $00000000              reserved
 Res2[1]   = $00000000              reserved
 Res2[2]   = $00000000              reserved

There are total 1 valid file systems stored on this drive.

[JackTheKnife]

Amiga OS startup-sequence:

; $VER: Startup-Sequence_HardDrive 40.2 (25.2.93)
; Startup-Sequence for hard drive systems

C:SetPatch QUIET

C:Version >NIL:
C:AddBuffers >NIL: DF0: 15
FailAt 21

C:MakeDir RAM:T RAM:Clipboards RAM:ENV RAM:ENV/Sys
C:Copy >NIL: ENVARC: RAM:ENV ALL NOREQ

Resident >NIL: C:Assign PURE
Resident >NIL: C:Execute PURE

Assign >NIL: ENV: RAM:ENV
Assign >NIL: T: RAM:T
Assign >NIL: CLIPS: RAM:Clipboards
Assign >NIL: REXX: S:
Assign >NIL: PRINTERS: DEVS:Printers
Assign >NIL: KEYMAPS: DEVS:Keymaps
Assign >NIL: LOCALE: SYS:Locale
Assign >NIL: LIBS: SYS:Classes ADD
Assign >NIL: HELP: LOCALE:Help DEFER

BindDrivers
C:Mount >NIL: DEVS:DOSDrivers/~(#?.info)

IF EXISTS DEVS:Monitors
  IF EXISTS DEVS:Monitors/VGAOnly
    DEVS:Monitors/VGAOnly
  EndIF

  C:List >NIL: DEVS:Monitors/~(#?.info|VGAOnly) TO T:M LFORMAT "DEVS:Monitors/%s"
  Execute T:M
  C:Delete >NIL: T:M
EndIF

SetEnv Language "english"
SetEnv Workbench $Workbench
SetEnv Kickstart $Kickstart
UnSet Workbench
UnSet Kickstart

C:AddDataTypes REFRESH QUIET
C:IPrefs
C:ConClip

Path >NIL: RAM: C: SYS:Utilities SYS:Rexxc SYS:System S: SYS:Prefs SYS:WBStartup SYS:Tools SYS:Tools/Commodities

IF EXISTS S:User-Startup
  Execute S:User-Startup
EndIF

Resident Execute REMOVE
Resident Assign REMOVE

C:LoadWB
EndCLI >NIL:

Amiga SYS startup-sequence:

; $VER: AmigaSYS 4 AGA 2008
; Startup-Sequence for AmigaSYS 4 AGA

C:SetPatch QUIET

failat 21
C:Blizkick Kickfile=System:Devs/ROM3.1 QUIET

assign Env: ram:
GetMouseInput
if $MouseInput eq 2
  execute System:S/NoStartup
else

delete >NIL: ram:MouseInput

C:Version >NIL:
C:AddBuffers >NIL: DF0: 15
FailAt 21

run >NIL: C:Play16 System:Boot/BootSample
run >NIL: C:Picboot l=s:PicBoot fi 1 fo 1

C:MakeDir RAM:T RAM:Clipboards RAM:ENV RAM:ENV/Sys
C:Copy >NIL: ENVARC: RAM:ENV ALL NOREQ

Resident >NIL: C:Assign PURE
Resident >NIL: C:Execute PURE

Assign >NIL: ENV: RAM:ENV
Assign >NIL: T: RAM:T
Assign >NIL: CLIPS: RAM:Clipboards
Assign >NIL: REXX: S:
Assign >NIL: PRINTERS: DEVS:Printers
Assign >NIL: KEYMAPS: DEVS:Keymaps
Assign >NIL: LOCALE: SYS:Locale
Assign >NIL: LIBS: SYS:Classes ADD
Assign >NIL: HELP: LOCALE:Help DEFER

C:MCP
C:FBlit
C:PatchOPENWB

BindDrivers
C:Mount >NIL: DEVS:DOSDrivers/~(#?.info)

IF EXISTS DEVS:Monitors
  IF EXISTS DEVS:Monitors/VGAOnly
    DEVS:Monitors/VGAOnly
  EndIF

  C:List >NIL: DEVS:Monitors/~(#?.info|VGAOnly) TO T:M LFORMAT "DEVS:Monitors/%s"
  Execute T:M
  C:Delete >NIL: T:M
EndIF

SetEnv Language "english"
SetEnv Workbench $Workbench
SetEnv Kickstart $Kickstart
UnSet Workbench
UnSet Kickstart

C:AddDataTypes REFRESH QUIET
Run > NIL: "System:C/VisualPrefs"
C:FastIPrefs F G
C:ConClip

IF EXISTS S:AmigaSYSS-Startup
  Execute S:AmigaSYSS-Startup
EndIF

Run <NIL: >NIL: c:NewIcons

Path >NIL: RAM: C: SYS:Utilities SYS:Rexxc SYS:System S: SYS:Prefs SYS:WBStartup SYS:Tools SYS:Tools/Commodities

IF EXISTS S:User-Startup
  Execute S:User-Startup
EndIF

Resident Execute REMOVE
Resident Assign REMOVE

run >nil: System:system/rexxmast
run >NIL: SYS:C/Arq
C:LoadWB
EndCLI >NIL:

[cosmicfrog]

C:Blizkick Kickfile=Systemevs/ROM3.1 QUIET

jumps out at me, try a ; in front of it

think it for a blizzard accelerator

[JackTheKnife]

Still this same

[orange]

um, i'd try it with some simple startup-sequence, just to be sure it even attempts to boot second partition (or copy the startupseq from first partition)