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Old 05 June 2009, 21:00   #61
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Where would the Amiga be without fanboiz?
There could be sub fanboys of many sects of Amiga such as Amikit, AROS, MorphOS, etc. to each own. It's keeps the community alive. I'm probably the only die-hard Amiga Forever fan. oh so lonely.
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Old 05 June 2009, 21:22   #62
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There could be sub fanboys of many sects of Amiga such as Amikit, AROS, MorphOS, etc. to each own. It's keeps the community alive. I'm probably the only die-hard Amiga Forever fan. oh so lonely.
...And you need to see a doc for that!

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Old 05 June 2009, 21:48   #63
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Old 05 June 2009, 22:34   #64
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Cloanto != Amiga (read : not equals)
/fanboizm mode on

But, but, but... they are re-selling our nostalgic dreams for us and future generations!
You can't love'em!
... Erm...

I mean...

You can not love'em!

/fanboizm mode off

Plus, they made PP
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Old 05 June 2009, 22:45   #65
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There could be sub fanboys of many sects of Amiga such as Amikit, AROS, MorphOS, etc. to each own. It's keeps the community alive.
So far I thought people who produce some new stuff etc keep the community alive but I know better now. Hail to the fanbois \o/

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I'm probably the only die-hard Amiga Forever fan. oh so lonely.
I wonder why. *cough*
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Old 05 June 2009, 23:04   #66
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In the UK you are legally allowed to back up what you own, this is a right, any company that denies this right to the consumer in a sale is infact braking the law...

this includes

software *protection* that denies or inhibts its use or copying.

you dont have to believe me, just send an email to trading standards and they will tell you this.

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I feel as though Micheal has really put himself in the firing line, theres been a lot of bullying of sites that offer *technically* copyright material, when no one can prove whom owns it.

This really doesnt endear him to a community that he serves even if he is a nice bloke.

the AF package is a good one, however, its drastically over priced. BUT IF it included Classic Workbench setups ready to rock with WHDload games installed as a one in all product, well then maybe it could be worth the $50 price tag.

Without the roms AF is just a TOSEC collection with a couple of vids i can watch on youTube. so heres the questions I would ask Micheal -

"Whom gets the money from the licensed roms anyway?"
"Does the original license that cloanto purchase ever run out?"
"What is the cut in royalties that you are paying? and to whom?"
"Can I have a license to distribute Kickstart ROMS?"
"Why should Coanto have an exsclusive license and no other company?"
"Have you heard of trade discrimination?"



nah, your not allowed to copy copyrighted material. Period. Without permission from the copyright holder you are only entitled to use what you have bought. On no disclaimer i have ever seen, movie, song, game does it say "sure make a copy for your own use, just in case your original gets scratched"
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Old 05 June 2009, 23:20   #67
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@mrbob2

sorry chap, your actually a little out my friend, please take the time to read the statuary rights for the UK you are allowed to BACK *hence copy* anything you own, that includes software and media.

you are also alowed to legally dissassemble any code that you have purchased to implement extra features that you desire.

thats law m8... i am not making it up, i have no wish to, nor will it give me any credit to do so. its just fact.

A fact that lots of companies and the main stream media ignore by putting on copy protection(s) so by directly denying you the right to copy what you own. if there happy to deny you your stat rights m8... believe me there not gonna go and sing and dance and tell you what you are allowed to do by uk law....
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mrbob2, I thought the same as you - I thought the UK had no concept of fair use enshrined. Then I googled...

Do check out the UK copyright service website: it's really quite an eye opener.

Surprisingly , the beardy one knows what he speaks of!
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Old 06 June 2009, 15:08   #69
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My experience was that the ROM images thus obtained differed from original by two bytes or so, and wouldn't boot on the real hardware. I didn't research further.

Actually, considering the topic of the thread, I think that very thing is what I hate most about Cloanto.
Thanks for sharing that, Rixa. I know that some of the Workbench images are not original, but I hadn't realized that the ROMS had been deliberately corrupted before being encrypted. I've never had reason to test them!

If the ROMs are corrupted, it makes you wonder what entitlement the Amiga Forever licence actually grants the buyer!
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Old 06 June 2009, 16:43   #70
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If the ROMs are corrupted, it makes you wonder what entitlement the Amiga Forever licence actually grants the buyer!
They're not "corrupted", they're modified to only run under emulation.
It was a condition forced by Amiga.

And to all those complaining at the price, Again blame Amiga for that.
Ask anyone who's dealt or tried dealing with them, McScrooge demands a very large slice of the pie.

In both cases, it's "bend over and reach for the lube, or you can't get a license"
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Old 06 June 2009, 16:51   #71
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They're not "corrupted", they're modified to only run under emulation.
It was a condition forced by Amiga.

And to all those complaining at the price, Again blame Amiga for that.
Ask anyone who's dealt or tried dealing with them, McScrooge demands a very large slice of the pie.

In both cases, it's "bend over and reach for the lube, or you can't get a license"
That's flat out evil. Why are the Amiga Inc parasites still around? Surely based on their track record nobody would ever deal with them.

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Old 06 June 2009, 17:10   #72
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Surely based on their track record nobody would ever deal with them.
When there's money to be made...
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Old 06 June 2009, 18:42   #73
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When there's money to be made...
Amiga Inc are snakes. They are also fighting over who owns OS 4.x*

Maybe we should have a whip around, buy the rights and BSD licence the lot.
TBH I'm not even sure what "Amiga" inc actually own. Didn't they just licence the IP from Gateway? Gateway are gone now anyway. I'd rather see the IP out of the hands of these idiots.

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*not that I care one way or another about anything "next gen"

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Old 09 June 2009, 00:37   #74
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It would be really cool to be able to buy the rights to the kickstart roms out from under them and then release them into the public domain. I would smile for a long time.

Only problem is, what reason would Cloanto have for charging everyone so much for a CD that contains little more than a nicely configured version of a free emulator on it?
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Old 09 June 2009, 16:50   #75
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When there's money to be made...
What money?
It's not like if we were talking about a multi million dollar market ... That's teh saddest part!
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Old 09 June 2009, 21:59   #76
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I believe Cloanto have no rights at all to the roms, modified or unmodified.

They have found a loop hole, and they are using it to sell roms. Roms modified by two bytes that is.

Do Cloanto pay taxes ?
Do they not submit legal papers to authorities government departments etc.
There must be a paper trail proving that Cloanto don't or do have rights to sell the amiga modified roms.

Besides how the heck are they able to sell the roms modified. Now that must have a paper trail if legal. Yet no such paper trail has surfaced, or not been found. Which make me think Cloanto is on the fiddle. When did you last hear of Cloanto prosecuting anyone for selling or giving away illegaly their amiga version modified 2 byte roms.
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Can someone please diff the ROMs with a hex editor and see what they changed?
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Can someone please diff the ROMs with a hex editor and see what they changed?
Good idea! I'll have a look...
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They changed the first 3 bytes to .
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