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Old 24 May 2009, 09:00   #21
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Seriously? You grip the stick with one hand and press the button with the other hand's thumb while holding the stick's body in the other hand at the same time. If the stick has suction cups, you can use your index finger too if you're so inclined. :-DD

Computer games are made to be played with a joystick, not a gamepad.
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Old 24 May 2009, 09:40   #22
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Computer games are made to be played with a Competition Pro, not a gamepad.
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Old 24 May 2009, 11:53   #23
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I'm really upset that I won't be able to take advantage of the extra buttons on the joystick to play 2-button games. All four buttons do exactly the same thing, despite there being a 2-button standard for Amiga controllers since the very beginning (the second firebutton is the same as the second mousebutton), then Commodore made the 2-button CDTV pads, and then the CD32 pads which had both buttons, as well as four more firebuttons and a play/pause/start button. So for many, many years now there has been a 2-button standard for Amiga games to use (even if many opted to only use one button), and many games took advantage of it, yet in 2009 we get a brand new joystick which doesn't support this standard, and is basically a Commodore 64 joystick, not an Amiga joystick. Also, it's useless to use on a Sega Master System, which it wouldn't be if it had supported a second fire button (it has FOUR THAT DO THE SAME THING).

This is a big disappointment, considering all the good hardware that you guys have brought out lately.
Most people do not think like you because it is the only Amiga controller that is produced nowadays.
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Old 24 May 2009, 12:32   #24
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A fix for the USB Competition Pro would be great. I got two of those when they came out, but haven't had much use for them.

Meanwhile I had this old circuit made. Requires a PC gameport but also works in DOS and you can use your favourite joysticks - I personally like a TAC-2 and Zipstick more than Competition Pro.

I'm sure there's similar projects for USB.
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Old 24 May 2009, 19:30   #25
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Most people do not think like you because it is the only Amiga controller that is produced nowadays.
No, the most computer games were designed for joysticks. Mainly with one button only support. That's a fact. An Amiga joypad is only an addition for the few games which support such a controller type, and no replacement. Who dares to produce a totally new Amiga joystick/pad with two or more buttons? This is always a financial risk.

For the CP: All the old production machines are still available and in use.

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Old 24 May 2009, 23:44   #26
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Right... I usually look at the screen when I play games, but hey when your intertior designer is going to kill you for this, I guess it's not worth the trouble
Hey I am a designer and have huge care for aesthetics! :P
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Hey I am a designer and have huge care for aesthetics! :P
Okay, have to admit that it's not really a beauty Maybe they throw in some different colored plastics in the next production run... 2011 or so
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Old 25 May 2009, 00:10   #28
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Sorry man, but the Zipstick was a poor man's copy of the Competition Pro.
So it's absolutely the other way round...
Zipstick look more robust than Competition Pro and got an autofire so it's not a "poor" copy.
And before going to a fight just read the description of the Zipstick HERE
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Zipstick look more robust than Competition Pro and got an autofire so it's not a "poor" copy.
And before going to a fight just read the description of the Zipstick HERE
That's a subjective review on the internet, which is not the voice of truth
I'm just saying the Zipstick copied the design of the Competition Pro and put it on a lower price. That makes it a poor man's CompePro! Did I say a "poor copy"? No, I said " a poor man's copy".
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That's brilliant news. My feeling is always 'better late than never' so thanks for making an effort on everyone's behalf.
I've never felt this "delay" that everyone speaks of on the USB version. It requires a good wiggle when you first use it to stop one direction being activated constantly but after that it works as good as any joystick I've used bar the annoying notch on the fire button - but that's an easy fix.

It works - and it works bloody well to me.

Excellent news on the new run Might well purchase another, if only to convert it to a Zipstick
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Old 25 May 2009, 08:47   #31
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Got a mate that likes the Competition Pro over Zipstick.He's completely wrong of course

You could argue against the Zipstick in that it was a bit loud with it's clicking but the Competition felt like it was stuck and was very stiff

I picked up a new Zipstick in around 96 i think and it must have been made differently as it was not the great controller i remember and had no microswitches

These new joysticks we have now feel like both Zip and Comp in that they are both clicky and stiff - they're not bad but they could be a little more loose
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Old 25 May 2009, 14:14   #32
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I agree with Cammy.

The big left button should be single fire 1, the big right should be single fire 2, the small, triangular-shaped left button should be autofire 1 (fires rapidly as long as you press it) and the small right button autofire 2.

I had a special Competition pro for my Amiga 500 that at least had the small buttons as rapid-fire buttons (left and right were both fire 1 though).


Doesn't matter much though since with e.g. a Playstation-pad and WinUAE you can nowadays map SPACE, ALT, Pause, jump (UP), Escape, Return, F1-F10 and any other key to any button on the controller.

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I think that wouldn't really work john. You can only reach the buttons on one side when you use it the 'intended' way. So the big buttons should be fire one and the small triangular ones fire two. Autofire should be changed by the switch on the backside (which the versions with autofire do anyway).
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Old 25 May 2009, 14:24   #34
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ZipStik > Competition Pro! They are both nice sticks though but ZipStik is much more robust than any Competiton Pro.
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Old 25 May 2009, 14:39   #35
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@TCD: It's been a long time since I held it. You're right - it'd be rather impracticable to have the 2nd button on the right (still better than reaching for the spacebar in Turrican though).
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Okay let's see : Second firebutton, different colors. What else should be included in the Competition Pro II?
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Old 25 May 2009, 16:46   #37
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Personally... I've never liked the microswtiched sticks.... tried Zipsticks and I just found that they failed epically over my owm unbranded piece I picked up for something silly like a pound somewhere..... it worked great for years, what killed it was puppies chewing on thecable :/
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I picked up a new Zipstick in around 96 i think and it must have been made differently as it was not the great controller i remember and had no microswitches
Zipstick was always the best. But like you say, they changed them late on to leaf switches (I think that's what they were called). Shoddy.

Early 90s Zipsticks
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Metal shaft, metal spring, good snap ring, 2006/2009 micro-switches. I doubt that the old zipstick could compete with the lastest CP classic.
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some of you must have the forearm strength of Arnold Schwarzenegger to make a CP Pro stick move. They are the joystick on Viagra...

I remember trying one and breaking the stick off - it really p1ssed me off, stupid thing Went back to my Quickshot microswitches... i can hear little microswitches ticking in my head all the time these days....
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