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Old 14 June 2011, 01:20   #21
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Have any of you tested this browser? Tomorrow I'll try to test it better :P
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Old 14 June 2011, 20:38   #22
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Works on my Amiga 600 but it need to be improved, it's really slow :http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1566495/Amiga/Merlin.JPG
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Old 15 June 2011, 13:09   #23
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Netsurf would be only possible web browser for 68k Amigas. OWB and other just wount be fast enough

There is no way that any web browser would be fast with A600
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Old 15 June 2011, 14:44   #24
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Avoid this browser, it's crap.
Amiga version has big cosmetic issues with GUI and doesn't load web pages that you type into the address bar, still just shows the home page.
Windoze version just opens up a window and hangs.
This is apparently the 28th release and still utterly broken :-(
If they think there is something wrong with AWeb then they should have just improved AWeb rather than wasting their time trying to write a new browser from scratch and failing and then going ahead anyway and releasing the resulting wreck.

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Old 15 June 2011, 15:31   #25
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Netsurf

Netsurf should be quite easy to port for 68k amiga. Minium requirements are 030 equlent ARM CPu and 16mb ram.

Chris has made OS4 port so that it already has some modifigations wich should make porting to 68k easier
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Old 15 June 2011, 19:50   #26
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Hope will soon have CSS browser for classic Amiga.
Few months ago i heard Ibrowse 2.5, any news ?
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Old 15 June 2011, 20:39   #27
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Hope sometime a new browser will be available for 68K Amigas. Last iBrowse version is from 2006 and even it's open source, no new Aweb versions have been appeared.

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Old 15 June 2011, 20:49   #28
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Netsurf

I'd like t promote Netsurf, it semi modern browser with css support etc.

There is already SDL frontend of it to 68k amiga, but is slow as hell and requires lot's of memory and AFAOS etc to work.

As I said OS4 version has a reaction gui and Chris who has made it, has keeped his mind that some day somebody might want to make 68k/OS3.X version of it.

He has also promised to help if somebody is willing to take a task.

Chirs has said that 68k version is "relatively easy" task. I ques that reletively means that how skilled/experienced coder you are.

I'm not a coder so I can't say
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Old 16 June 2011, 09:20   #29
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>Netsurf should be quite easy to port for 68k amiga.

I've got NetSurf 68K version running here, I assume this is the SDL version that has been mentioned?

I maybe would consider doing an OS3 ReAction-based port, I'd have to be convinced that it was much better than AWeb though, which I'm not. There's no menus on this version (!) so I'm not sure what features it offers, if any. Is this intentional or are they missing? Is there a comparative feature list anywhere?

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Old 16 June 2011, 10:49   #30
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>Netsurf should be quite easy to port for 68k amiga.

I've got NetSurf 68K version running here, I assume this is the SDL version that has been mentioned?

I maybe would consider doing an OS3 ReAction-based port, I'd have to be convinced that it was much better than AWeb though, which I'm not. There's no menus on this version (!) so I'm not sure what features it offers, if any. Is this intentional or are they missing? Is there a comparative feature list anywhere?

Here you can read 68k netsurf's features: http://aminet.net/package/comm/www/NetSurf-m68k (this is an old version, but Arthur has got a new version which he hasn't released yet).

The OS4 version supports multi-tabbed browsing, being a native Reaction version, while the OS3.x one doesn't.

Here's latest os4 version's features by Chris:

http://amiga.org/forums/showthread.p...hlight=netsurf


Please do it !! It would be appreciated by many.
Also, you could add Aweb excellent arexx interface to netsurf.

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Old 16 June 2011, 12:40   #31
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netsurf

Yes it is SDL frontend that you have now.

There is no doubt that netsurf is better than aweb. ReAction Gui might be easiest/fastest because Chris has already done some work towars OS3.X version, so you don't need to start from scrats. MorpOS / MUI version is old and outdated.

I belive that native 68k version would be usefull with 030 /32mb ram systems, atleast RiscOS version is usefull with equalent system.

http://www.netsurf-browser.org/about...-wikipedia.png

There is menus in OS4 version, screen shot is from kiosk mode.

Here lastest OS4 specifig changes:

* Improved bitmap caching.
* Fixed menus in kiosk mode.
* Improved filetype handling.
* Fixed menu shortcuts.
* Replaced hotlist with core hotlist.
* Replaced global history with core global history.
* Replaced cookie manager with core cookie manager.
* Replaced SSL cert. inspection with core SSL cert. inspection.
* Improved Cairo and non-Cairo plotters.
* Added auto-scroll on selection drags beyond window boundaries.
* Improved clipboard handling.
* Improved icon usage.
* Improved stability.
* Some incomplete work towards AmigaOS 3 support.
* Disabled iframes by default.
* Set CSS system colours from the pens in the screen DrawInfo table.
* Fixed kiosk mode to always fill screen.
* Improved scheduler.
* Made new tabs open to show homepage.
* Obtain download filename from the core.
* Added history content menus to back and forward buttons.
* Bitmap rendering optimisations.
* Improved download handling.
* Runtime selection of graphics plot implementations.
* Updated About requester.
* Enabled fast scrolling for all content types.

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Old 16 June 2011, 18:34   #32
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The last time I used Aweb was here on EAB. It froze when I tried to access the "Zone". This happened repeatedly with at least 8 Mb of Fastmem available. I tried increasing the Aweb stack, disabling javascript and image rendering without success. It happens when Aweb reads > 580,000 bytes of html. The best person to fix Aweb is probably Andy Broad but he doesn't seem to have much interest in Aweb anymore.

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The last time I looked at the 68K Netsurf readme on Aminet you needed a 040/060 and 64 MB minimum.

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Old 16 June 2011, 21:09   #33
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SpeedGeek: You didn't read earlier posts. That is NOT native version, it is SDL frontend. RiscOS requirements are ARM6 and 16mb, I don't see why Amiga OS/68k should have 4x bigger memory requirements, for cpu 10x

Memory requrements are high because of SDL and SDL is also cpu hungry
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Thanks for the info. I don't see why the native 68K version should have 4x memory requirement either but thats what the guys who ported Netsurf to Amiga ended up with.
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Old 17 June 2011, 08:14   #35
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Actuallay, there is NO native amiga 68k port of Netsurf, there is a SDL frontend of it to amiga.

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Old 18 June 2011, 04:48   #36
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Actually, NetSurf, yes, could be the future of Amiga 68k browsing
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Old 18 June 2011, 10:40   #37
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The last time I used Aweb was here on EAB. It froze when I tried to access the "Zone". This happened repeatedly with at least 8 Mb of Fastmem available. I tried increasing the Aweb stack, disabling javascript and image rendering without success. It happens when Aweb reads > 580,000 bytes of html.
Which version of AWeb was this, I assume you mean V3.5.09? I've now joined the mailing list at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/awebml/ and am familiarising myself with the codebase. Once this is complete I will be in a position to make bug fixes.
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Old 18 June 2011, 15:35   #38
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I've read your thread on A.org, where u said to have problems with sas/c compilation; Aweb (latest version) is compiled using gcc, but it should also compile with sas/c.

As far as improvements to aweb are concerned, I'd very much like an option to NOT display those elements with the 'hidden' attribute set; if it can be done without implementing the whole css set, then I'm happy

Another feature I'd like to see, is the possibility to define our own styles to web page elements; a bit like 'css for the poor' Aweb already can define certain styles for some tags in its preferences.

another thing you could do, is setting preferences on a per-site basis, a bit like IBrowse.

Hope it's not too much work for you.
I really *love* AWeb, especially its excellent Arexx interface.
 
Old 18 June 2011, 20:08   #39
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Minuous: Could you check those netsurf OS4 sources and tell what would be requirements to port it to 68k amigas.

I belive that it would be easier task to use OS4 sources that start from scrats with original sourses.

I you get any problems don't hesitate contact to Chris, he has been very helpfull
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Chris has already put up a useful to do list to get NetSurf on OS3:

http://wiki.netsurf-browser.org/Todo...nd#OS3_Support
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