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Old 19 February 2009, 16:35   #21
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I cant work this alone, history proves numbers do matter, we should make a formal petition, in EAB´s good name, im not sure how that could be acomplished, but we should unleash the hords of amiga users.
In fact not only EAB, but Lemmon and any other "lost" Amiga comunities could participate in this petition.

"DCE! Make all Amiga hardware schematics and rom programming available for public use!"

Advices are welcome!

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Old 19 February 2009, 16:58   #22
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"DCE! Make all Amiga hardware schematics and rom programming available for public use!"
Someone came to me with an Ultimatum like that and I'd hit delete just out of spite!

You need to word it so that it is you doing them a favour.

"Are you fed up of all these enquiries about old Amiga designs?"

"Proud of your history and technical achievements past and present?"

"Want to present you fine work to the Audience in a way it is clear that these designs are no-longer produced, sold or serviced?"

"Allow our team of volunteer engineers and web designers create you a dedicated portfolio of your work including schematics, and source code"

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Old 19 February 2009, 17:16   #23
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sounds like alexh is volunteering hehehhe

I think you`ve got a good idea there Yotoxionomai

who knows if we all work on it something might come of it, but unless we try we will never know
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Old 19 February 2009, 17:20   #24
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Your right alexh, as always ...but i´m afraid my linguistic skills in your mother tongue are not that high. I wouldnt know where to start...
Viddi already posted that Thomas Dellert seemd to be in some kind of "huff", maybe there are some other people that own other precious schematics, like the ones from Apollo boards. And maybe those people dont even have a clue how large the Amiga community is.Maybe they just put their plans aside because they think no one really care any more.
I fell something must, or could be done about it.
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Old 19 February 2009, 19:38   #25
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Ok, what about something like this alexh?

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Dear Sirs at the DCE administration

My name is Paul and i am representing the best interests of Amiga Users all around the world.
Its common knowledge among the Amiga community DCE purchased the patent of Amiga hardware from the now gone Blizzard company.
Considering the advanced age and usage of those fine accelerator cards some are now desperatly in need of extensive repairs.
So we ask you if you could consider donating the schematics,printed circuit blueprints, Mach chip programming and eeprom bios, to the amiga community,so that we could keep maintaining our hardware as part of the rich history that is Amiga. This would be a service to our community in which we would be forever in your debt.
Please send whatever you spare here:
http://www.amiga-hardware.com/
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http://amiga.resource.cx/

Many thanks
On behalf of English Amiga Board and all amiga hardware communities spread across the globe.
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I would get it translated by a native German.

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i am representing the best interests of Amiga Users all around the world.
In English that is not a very nice, or honest statement. How about :

"Hello, I am writing to DCE on behalf of myself and potentially all Amiga Users around the world."

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Its common knowledge among the Amiga community DCE purchased the patent of Amiga hardware from the now gone Blizzard company.
Again the statement is not true and (in English) reads slightly aggressive.

"It is my understanding that DCE designed and built of several of the greatest Amiga hardware accessories of their time, including manufacturing the products of the now defunct company "Phase 5"? Does DCE still own the intellectual property for these products?"

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Considering the advanced age and usage of those fine accelerator cards some are now desperately in need of extensive repairs.
This is of no interest to them.

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So we ask you if you could consider donating the schematics,printed circuit blueprints, Mach chip programming and eeprom bios, to the amiga community,so that we could keep maintaining our hardware as part of the rich history that is Amiga.
I think this is a bit much detail for a "first contact" email.

"I am interested in opening a dialog which might result in preserving the technical information on how and by whom the DCE/Phase 5 products were created and functioned. Is low level information about these products still stored at DCE?"

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This would be a service to our community in which we would be forever in your debt.
Too much like begging.

"If the information is available I would like to discuss allowing myself to preserve and publish the data under a non profit license so that Amiga users can learn more about the history of their equipment. Possibly even make their own repairs or upgrades that might ensure DCE built equipment continues to be used well into the 21st Century".

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Please send whatever you spare here:
http://www.amiga-hardware.com/
or
http://amiga.resource.cx/
How lame. If you want this information making public you'll have to own the conversation at least for several emails, if not all the way to delivery, before passing ownership off to someone else. Very lame!

"I hope that you would be interested and we can discuss details. Yours Sincerely.... <your name>"

Even with my input I think you'd need to fine tune it a bit more so as to not be too needy and at the same time be positive.
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Old 19 February 2009, 20:31   #28
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Do you think you could write them for me/us Alexh?

"... we would be forever in your debt."

And im begging here...lol

PS: Many thanks GH!!!
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Old 19 February 2009, 20:59   #29
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Your input is precious alexh, thank you, as i already suspected, i may not be the most suited person to handle the possible negotiations, a lot is at stake here, the wrong arguments and the window of oportunitie may be forever shut.
The community deserves better than that.
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Sorry but I am not really that interested. You need a native German speaker Amiga enthusiast which knows a little about hardware.

I'll pre-read and give suggestions to anyone who wants to write to them.

I personally feel that you're on a loosing cause
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Old 19 February 2009, 21:18   #31
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Well then, thanks alexh, i will take your suggestions and do as you said, any results will be posted here.
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keep up the good work Yotoxionomai and don`t be scared to act alone

Thank you alexh for your suggestions I for 1 would not be able to word a letter in this way, being crap at english

I think like alexh said the first move is to open up a dialog with them finding out who owns what and such like and I`m sure we can find a german speaker round here to help (TCD) hehehehe
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i have sent an email, will keep you updated, when and if i get a reply

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Old 20 February 2009, 19:06   #35
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Ok, what about something like this alexh?
Dear xxxx

We have your wives and children. They are safe and well eating Baxers soup, bread, wine and water.

In return for their safe return to you, we, the Amiga community demand all of your retired Amiga products be put onto the production line once again.

Yours sincerely,

Bill McEwen


hey, I found a use for Bill
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Old 20 February 2009, 20:12   #36
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That would be lovely!

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any chance you can post the email JuvUK, give us something to read while we wait for a reply
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"Oi you! DCE! Stop your messin' around and give us all 'ur Amiga stuff or we'll break your legs!"
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any chance you can post the email JuvUK, give us something to read while we wait for a reply
normally i'd say no problem, but i think some people would just pick it apart and complain about it, rather than just write and send thier own email, but i do promise to keep you guys updated ok?

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