Cracked games with ERROR protections - Page 3

Supamax · 20 January 2009, 21:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

The fact is that Fright Night use the Steve Bak system :

The game starts via startup sequence and loader located on a DOS part on the disk,
and then loads custom MFM atari ST tracks.

Spitting Image works in a similar manner.

Fright Night by quartex is i think a standard ADF. Why ? because once compressed,
it's only 401kb (Steve Bak loves putting game on 1 side of the disk

)

My original dump which is a real extended ADF holding the MFM custom format is 1965kb (Crunched !)

So yes Andreas is SURELY right. The easiest way is to find the quartex crack of fright night on amiga sites.

Ok,
here there are two screenshots made after the X-Copy "Checkdisk" command, on both disks (my copy and the original, dumped by dlfrsilver).
It's clearly visible that:
- it's not single-sided
- it's not a normal adf
- the two images are similar, yet not identical (it was obvious, since Quartex changed something)

Hope this clears it once for all and we can proceed with something else.

and

Supamax · 20 January 2009, 21:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

So yes Andreas is SURELY right.

He simply isn't. I didn't remember Silkworm tracks right now, so I checked it. Here is the result of X-Copy's Checkdisk on my Quartex copy (see image).
Only the bootblock is ADOS. If you copy this disk on a normal adf you'll get a mess.

Quote:

The easiest way is to find the quartex crack of fright night on amiga sites.

If you find a quartex crack, normal adf, on an Amiga site, it will be a different/newer release than mine.
Amiga sites have a lot of normal adfs and nearly nothing in extended adf.

Probably Quartex's first releases (like the ones I dumped) were less "cracked" than the ones he/them released later.

These "nibble" releases were mainly lost in time. That's why you *should* be very happy I discovered some.
I found more and will upload them. I really *hope* I will not to be treated as I was till now!

Galahad/FLT · 20 January 2009, 23:24

Beta crack of Powercopy v3.07 now in the zone

Supamax · 20 January 2009, 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

Beta crack of Powercopy v3.07 now in the zone

Oooh, Galahad, thanks!

Denis, could you test it thoroughly?
When you have time, could you upload the manual to The Zone (pdf, if possible)? Thanks,
Massimo

Galahad/FLT · 20 January 2009, 23:37

Seems to take its time to start copying a disk, but it works. Disk check completely removed.

I must stress its a Beta, as I haven't even bothered to look for checksums at the moment, got a lot on, any problems, let me know and i'll examine further.

Retro-Nerd · 20 January 2009, 23:37

Uses Powercopy the same hw-dongle like Siegfried copy/X-Copy? I want to create a diskimage from a RNC copylock disk (Kick Off/Action Pack). Is this possible with your cracked version?

Galahad/FLT · 20 January 2009, 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Uses Powercopy the same hw-dongle like Siegfried copy/X-Copy? I want to do copy a RNC copylock disk (Kick Off/Action Pack). Is this possible with your cracked version?

Fuck knows, until Supamax brought it to my attention, i'd never even heard of it. All I did is remove Powercopys protection so it should be able to be used as is.

Dennis has all the info on it on what its supposed to be able to do, but I doubt it will properly duplicate a Copylock track without hardware.

Retro-Nerd · 20 January 2009, 23:41

I have the Siegfried Copy hw-dongle. Guess i have to wait for Denis.

btw: Siegfried Copy+dongle works with RNC protected disks. The physical copy of Kick Off runs fine here. But i want a diskimage too.

Supamax · 20 January 2009, 23:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

I have the Siegfried Copy hw-dongle. Guess i have to wait for Denis.

If your dongle is like mine (Cyclone-like with cabling only, no custom IC's) then it will not do. I tried with mine this morning and... no way

EDIT: I mean "no way" for the protection. I didn't try my dongle for copy-making, because I didn't have a cracked copy of PowerCopy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

Seems to take its time to start copying a disk, but it works. Disk check completely removed.

I must stress its a Beta, as I haven't even bothered to look for checksums at the moment, got a lot on, any problems, let me know and i'll examine further.

Under WinUAE I can't start a copy nor check a disk. AARGH!
I'll try on my A600HD.
On which machine did you try it? If you tried on A1200 and found it slow, I can't imagine how slow it would/will be on A600

Did you test it from HD or floppy?

Galahad/FLT · 21 January 2009, 00:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supamax

Under WinUAE I can't start a copy nor check a disk. AARGH!
I'll try on my A600HD.
On which machine did you try it? If you tried on A1200 and found it slow, I can't imagine how slow it would/will be on A600

Did you test it from HD or floppy?

No idea, I did it under WinUAE with 100% accurate disk floppy, theres no reason why it won't work on a real Amiga, theres nothing special going on there.

But it does take a while to accept the first disk to copy.

Will check it out just incase i've missed something.

StingRay · 21 January 2009, 00:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

No idea, I did it under WinUAE with 100% accurate disk floppy, theres no reason why it won't work on a real Amiga, theres nothing special going on there.

But it does take a while to accept the first disk to copy.

Will check it out just incase i've missed something.

It doesn't work on a real machine either. And I highly doubt that it is THAT easy to crack... ;D

Supamax · 21 January 2009, 01:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

No idea, I did it under WinUAE with 100% accurate disk floppy, theres no reason why it won't work on a real Amiga, theres nothing special going on there.

But it does take a while to accept the first disk to copy.

Will check it out just incase i've missed something.

Hi Galahad,

I tried it in WinUAE (100% floppy accuracy), A500 A600 and A1200 configurations, with no success.
I then tried it on my real A600, but no success too.

At first I get the "Insert source in df0:" message (and I have the disk inserted, of course). Then, if I insist, it hangs.

What do you mean exactly with "it does take a while to accept the first disk to copy" ?

Thanks for your time,
Massimo

Retro-Nerd · 21 January 2009, 01:27

Doesn't work here too. It hangs on "insert source disk in DF0:". If you click a few times on start it shows a "insert target disk in DF1:", but that's all.

dlfrsilver · 21 January 2009, 07:46

Ok here are the facts about Powercopy 3.07a : If the disk protection is not passing thru, the sync system is fucked up, the disk speed checking doesn't work, the reading fails, the writting fails, nothing gets copied from the original game disk in the source. The files corresponding to the tracks stays empty when tried to make a copy from Df0: to DEV: for example.

If the hardware dongle is plugged on the external port of the amiga, the disk protection is completely bypassed, to the point that it doesn't try to read powercopy original disk. As Stingray said, the copy protection is competant. Goeff Lohrere has made a brillant work on his tool. The copy protection system seems to be tied to the "parameters (syncs, tracklength, disk speed check, etc...)

The hardware dongle is like the one used on siegfried copy, but PCP dongle uses some chips on which the top was erased.
I talked with stingray about this fact already. And the siegfried dongle doesn't work with powercopy.....

We all agree that this tool takes all its best by running from a hard drive. Powercopy works with AND without the dongle with no problem.

@Supamax : I will upload for you Powercopy manual in PDF if you like (Scans are already done).

@retro-nerd : The ADF format (extended) doesn't hold and CAN'T hold a working copy of an RNC copyprotected disk.
You can't get working images of games using weak sectors, using special timing tricks :

leavin' Teramis, Enchanted lands (those are the one i know of)

Any game with longtracks, protection tracks can be imaged :

turrican series, Bc kid, Obitus, Killing game show, most psygnosis games, etc.....

The best aside IPF files would be a new kind of ADF that would support those special
tracks, allows us to image any game we own modified or not.

Anyway, thanks Galahad for looking on it

A competant cracker for a competant protection

Galahad/FLT · 21 January 2009, 09:24

Guess I'll give it a proper going over then

Supamax · 21 January 2009, 16:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

@Supamax : I will upload for you Powercopy manual in PDF if you like (Scans are already done).

Yes, of course, thanks!

The manual is very much appreciated

Supamax · 21 January 2009, 16:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

Guess I'll give it a proper going over then

Do you mean you won't try any more?

PLEASE, do!!!

bippym · 21 January 2009, 16:41

It means he will try, and crack it properly

TheCyberDruid · 21 January 2009, 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supamax

Do you mean you won't try any more?

No worries Supamax, he means just the opposite

Supamax · 21 January 2009, 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by bippym

It means he will try, and crack it properly

Pheeeeww, I misunderstood his "going over"

BlueAchenar · 21 January 2009, 16:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

No mate, I'm sure BlueAchenar will show more than a passing interest in this thread when he joins us online later.

Only saw this thread now.

Supamax · 21 January 2009, 16:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueAchenar

Only saw this thread now.

Shame on you, mate!

Retro-Nerd · 21 January 2009, 16:59

Quote:

The hardware dongle is like the one used on siegfried copy, but PCP dongle uses some chips on which the top was erased.
I talked with stingray about this fact already. And the siegfried dongle doesn't work with powercopy.....

It doesn't matter. I've copied my RNC protected game with Siegfried+dongle, so i assume it works with other RNC games too.

Quote:

@retro-nerd : The ADF format (extended) doesn't hold and CAN'T hold a working copy of an RNC copyprotected disk.

The best aside IPF files would be a new kind of ADF that would support those special tracks, allows us to image any game we own modified or not.

Probably. I hope somebody is skilled enough to do it. Would be a nice tool.

Galahad/FLT · 21 January 2009, 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay

It doesn't work on a real machine either. And I highly doubt that it is THAT easy to crack... ;D

Ha, thats what you reckon. Cracked, in the zone

Galahad/FLT · 21 January 2009, 20:36

Another BETA in the zone for people to check.

Note to Self: Don't put credits to self in the text in the one place in the program that the programmer checks to see if its been modified!

Supamax · 21 January 2009, 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

Another BETA in the zone for people to check.

Note to Self: Don't put credits to self in the text in the one place in the program that the programmer checks to see if its been modified!

Oh my God, can't believe it! I tried it on WinUAE and it seems to work fine!
(Perhaps only a graphical glitch in the menu zone)
I'll try it on my real A600.
Let's wait Denis' opinion, and in the meantime: thanks a lot, Galahad!

StingRay · 21 January 2009, 21:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

Ha, thats what you reckon. Cracked, in the zone

Well, well, did you actually check the created copies?

BlueAchenar · 21 January 2009, 21:25

Can someone enlighten me on how games usually read tracks with modified bit cell timings?

Is there a common game using such a scheme?

Supamax · 21 January 2009, 21:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay

Well, well, did you actually check the created copies?

I tried to make a copy under WinUAE, and got a problem maybe (I'll retry, I'm not sure).
Now I'm trying on my real A600... I suppose you tried and got problems?

EDIT: perfectly working on my A600HD!!! I tried it with my copy of Archipelagos (another of the "infamous" half-cracks/hacks by Quartex), which has protected tracks.

Now I'm trying to copy (to DEVS: and back on another floppy) my original Rainbow Islands. I should succeed, since X-Copy v8.5 can copy it...

StingRay · 21 January 2009, 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supamax

I tried to make a copy under WinUAE, and got a problem maybe (I'll retry, I'm not sure).
Now I'm trying on my real A600... I suppose you tried and got problems?

Dlfrsilver asked me to crack it thus I of course had a look and the protection appeared to be incredibly simple to remove. However, I didn't want to release it untested and so I tried to make some copies and so far I never got a full 1:1 copy of a normal ADOS disk which I assume has to do with the protection. Galahad's version has exactly the same problems on my machine. However, as I didn't really test thoroughly I can of course be wrong. Tho, random verify errors on a 100% OK disk DO look suspicious to me.

Supamax · 21 January 2009, 21:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay

Dlfrsilver asked me to crack it thus I of course had a look and the protection appeared to be incredibly simple to remove. However, I didn't want to release it untested and so I tried to make some copies and so far I never got a full 1:1 copy of a normal ADOS disk which I assume has to do with the protection. Galahad's version has exactly the same problems on my machine. However, as I didn't really test thoroughly I can of course be wrong. Tho, random verify errors on a 100% OK disk DO look suspicious to me.

Mmmm... I made some checks. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't (find errors on some/all tracks). Strange... however it would seem (in my case, at least) that when it works it works Ok.
I don't know if it's an easy task for Galahad (or you) to find out why it's working "hiccups"...

BlueAchenar · 21 January 2009, 21:58

While I'm waiting for data...

...let's see what I make of the powercopy protection, maybe I'll get some tips for my imager (not the protection of course).

dlfrsilver · 21 January 2009, 22:02

i'm not at home tonight, but tomorrow afternoon, i will do the check. Powercopy original
protected in extended ADF works 100% ok, for example, check in the parameters, it's possible to image Pinball dreams. It uses longtracks however, but can be imaged to winuae.
if you use bad cracked copy, there is failure when writting back under winuae in extended ADF.

@supamax : It won't work. Rainbow Islands uses a RNC copylock+MFM track system.
remember the rule ? ADF format can't hold RNC copylocks.

Galahad/FLT · 21 January 2009, 22:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay

Dlfrsilver asked me to crack it thus I of course had a look and the protection appeared to be incredibly simple to remove. However, I didn't want to release it untested and so I tried to make some copies and so far I never got a full 1:1 copy of a normal ADOS disk which I assume has to do with the protection. Galahad's version has exactly the same problems on my machine. However, as I didn't really test thoroughly I can of course be wrong. Tho, random verify errors on a 100% OK disk DO look suspicious to me.

Mine is strictly BETA, I haven't done anything other than remove my text I edited, and deprotected the track check routine in a different way.

So I suspect theres a checksum or two in there to check for the way I cracked it, so i'll have a looksee later.

Supamax · 21 January 2009, 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

i'm not at home tonight, but tomorrow afternoon, i will do the check. Powercopy original
protected in extended ADF works 100% ok, for example, check in the parameters, it's possible to image Pinball dreams. It uses longtracks however, but can be imaged to winuae.
if you use bad cracked copy, there is failure when writting back under winuae in extended ADF.

@supamax : It won't work. Rainbow Islands uses a RNC copylock+MFM track system.
remember the rule ? ADF format can't hold RNC copylocks.

Hi Denis,
OK but... I managed to successfully copy my original Rainbow Islands with X-Copy Pro 8.5. Am I going crazy? I remember it well, I did it the last month...

I'll retry (tomorrow), I'm curious.

Supamax · 21 January 2009, 22:20

Hi Galahad,

I can confirm to have random (more or less random) errors during the WRITE process. Much less or nothing during the READ process.

Waiting for your next release, when you have time

dlfrsilver · 21 January 2009, 22:51

You mean with x-copy 8.5 on your amiga 600 ? or under winuae ?

PS : Please guys, can someone up the powercopy parameter disk 0996.dms i put
a moment ago in the zone ?

I need it for installing on the PC i'm actually !

Retro-Nerd · 21 January 2009, 23:02

Check the zone.

Supamax · 21 January 2009, 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

You mean with x-copy 8.5 on your amiga 600 ? or under winuae ?

On my real A600. I'm 99.99% sure (let's not write 100%

)

WAIT! Do you mean "copying Rainbow Islands" or "PowerCopy error reporting" ???
However, I did both on my real A600.

dlfrsilver · 22 January 2009, 00:08

yes with X-copy 8.5 you made a copy from your a600 source drive to destination drive.

About powercopy, while copying rainbow islands will work on your real machine, it just won't under winuae.
But yes on a real media on a real amiga it's ok.

I have tried to image twinworld..... there is some shit inserted in the tracks while imaging

it stops at track 12, where it should continue loading grrrrr !!)

20 January 2009, 23:24	#83
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 39 Posts: 5,026	Beta crack of Powercopy v3.07 now in the zone __________________ Former member of: LSD, Scoopex, Razor 1911, Dual Crew Shining, Rednex, Fairlight. www.southwestscrap.co.uk

20 January 2009, 23:37	#85
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 39 Posts: 5,026	Seems to take its time to start copying a disk, but it works. Disk check completely removed. I must stress its a Beta, as I haven't even bothered to look for checksums at the moment, got a lot on, any problems, let me know and i'll examine further. __________________ Former member of: LSD, Scoopex, Razor 1911, Dual Crew Shining, Rednex, Fairlight. www.southwestscrap.co.uk

21 January 2009, 07:46	#94
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-ExtADF Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 35 Posts: 4,499	Ok here are the facts about Powercopy 3.07a : If the disk protection is not passing thru, the sync system is fucked up, the disk speed checking doesn't work, the reading fails, the writting fails, nothing gets copied from the original game disk in the source. The files corresponding to the tracks stays empty when tried to make a copy from Df0: to DEV: for example. If the hardware dongle is plugged on the external port of the amiga, the disk protection is completely bypassed, to the point that it doesn't try to read powercopy original disk. As Stingray said, the copy protection is competant. Goeff Lohrere has made a brillant work on his tool. The copy protection system seems to be tied to the "parameters (syncs, tracklength, disk speed check, etc...) The hardware dongle is like the one used on siegfried copy, but PCP dongle uses some chips on which the top was erased. I talked with stingray about this fact already. And the siegfried dongle doesn't work with powercopy..... We all agree that this tool takes all its best by running from a hard drive. Powercopy works with AND without the dongle with no problem. @Supamax : I will upload for you Powercopy manual in PDF if you like (Scans are already done). @retro-nerd : The ADF format (extended) doesn't hold and CAN'T hold a working copy of an RNC copyprotected disk. You can't get working images of games using weak sectors, using special timing tricks : leavin' Teramis, Enchanted lands (those are the one i know of) Any game with longtracks, protection tracks can be imaged : turrican series, Bc kid, Obitus, Killing game show, most psygnosis games, etc..... The best aside IPF files would be a new kind of ADF that would support those special tracks, allows us to image any game we own modified or not. Anyway, thanks Galahad for looking on it A competant cracker for a competant protection __________________ Denis Last edited by dlfrsilver; 21 January 2009 at 09:37.

21 January 2009, 09:24	#95
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 39 Posts: 5,026	Guess I'll give it a proper going over then __________________ Former member of: LSD, Scoopex, Razor 1911, Dual Crew Shining, Rednex, Fairlight. www.southwestscrap.co.uk

21 January 2009, 20:36	#105
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 39 Posts: 5,026	Another BETA in the zone for people to check. Note to Self: Don't put credits to self in the text in the one place in the program that the programmer checks to see if its been modified! __________________ Former member of: LSD, Scoopex, Razor 1911, Dual Crew Shining, Rednex, Fairlight. www.southwestscrap.co.uk

20 January 2009, 23:37	#86
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 41 Posts: 8,366	Uses Powercopy the same hw-dongle like Siegfried copy/X-Copy? I want to create a diskimage from a RNC copylock disk (Kick Off/Action Pack). Is this possible with your cracked version?

20 January 2009, 23:41	#88
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 41 Posts: 8,366	I have the Siegfried Copy hw-dongle. Guess i have to wait for Denis. btw: Siegfried Copy+dongle works with RNC protected disks. The physical copy of Kick Off runs fine here. But i want a diskimage too.

21 January 2009, 01:27	#93
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 41 Posts: 8,366	Doesn't work here too. It hangs on "insert source disk in DF0:". If you click a few times on start it shows a "insert target disk in DF1:", but that's all.

21 January 2009, 16:41	#98
bippym Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 37 Posts: 8,132	It means he will try, and crack it properly

21 January 2009, 21:25	#108
BlueAchenar Not dead yet!!! :D Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Aveiro / Portugal Age: 31 Posts: 690	Can someone enlighten me on how games usually read tracks with modified bit cell timings? Is there a common game using such a scheme?

21 January 2009, 21:58	#112
BlueAchenar Not dead yet!!! :D Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Aveiro / Portugal Age: 31 Posts: 690	While I'm waiting for data... ...let's see what I make of the powercopy protection, maybe I'll get some tips for my imager (not the protection of course). Last edited by BlueAchenar; 21 January 2009 at 22:08.

21 January 2009, 22:02	#113
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-ExtADF Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 35 Posts: 4,499	i'm not at home tonight, but tomorrow afternoon, i will do the check. Powercopy original protected in extended ADF works 100% ok, for example, check in the parameters, it's possible to image Pinball dreams. It uses longtracks however, but can be imaged to winuae. if you use bad cracked copy, there is failure when writting back under winuae in extended ADF. @supamax : It won't work. Rainbow Islands uses a RNC copylock+MFM track system. remember the rule ? ADF format can't hold RNC copylocks. __________________ Denis

21 January 2009, 22:20	#116
Supamax Da Digger :) Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Italy Posts: 1,989	Hi Galahad, I can confirm to have random (more or less random) errors during the WRITE process. Much less or nothing during the READ process. Waiting for your next release, when you have time

21 January 2009, 22:51	#117
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-ExtADF Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 35 Posts: 4,499	You mean with x-copy 8.5 on your amiga 600 ? or under winuae ? PS : Please guys, can someone up the powercopy parameter disk 0996.dms i put a moment ago in the zone ? I need it for installing on the PC i'm actually ! __________________ Denis

21 January 2009, 23:02	#118
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 41 Posts: 8,366	Check the zone.

22 January 2009, 00:08	#120
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-ExtADF Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 35 Posts: 4,499	yes with X-copy 8.5 you made a copy from your a600 source drive to destination drive. About powercopy, while copying rainbow islands will work on your real machine, it just won't under winuae. But yes on a real media on a real amiga it's ok. I have tried to image twinworld..... there is some shit inserted in the tracks while imaging it stops at track 12, where it should continue loading grrrrr !!) __________________ Denis

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