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Old 22 December 2008, 13:43   #61
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Sure, and ALL the German demo maker declared their demos as PD, which NOT exits in the German law.
than look what the german developer (not only demos) write in his ReadMe.

and you write wrong. in the judge exits PD and Freeware!

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It's time FOR YOU to study the law. You silly idiot!! I hope one day somebody will sue you for you complete stupidity.
when you cant talk on a normal way its better i stop every talk with you.
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Old 22 December 2008, 13:49   #62
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Wow... what a bitchy thread!
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Old 22 December 2008, 13:49   #63
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Ignorance is not a legal defence in any country.

If found to be publishing items in breach of copyright the defendant would still be liable. Even if they *thought* what they were publishing was correctly licensed.
yes and no. how i said: we have trouble. but Tony must payed.
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Ok, you don't want to learn something here. The German law knows the Urheberrecht and the rights of use, i.e. distribution rights. So, this denies automatically the existence of any PD here, which would mean the copyright ended or it was never existent.

Sure somebody can declare his work as free downloadable or free distributable. But you don't have the permission for all the scene demos on the CD's, that's for sure.
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Wow... what a bitchy thread!
I don't think they will ever get over it...
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Ok, you don't want to learn something here. The German law knows the Urheberrecht and the rights of use, i.e. distribution rights. So, this denies automatically the existence of any PD here, which would mean the copyright ended or it was never existent.
i NEVER say that the copyright ended or never existent!!!

i say that the user can with 31 say that all users can make with his software what they like. that are to 90% the same as PD in the USA.

When a german developer write in his readme that his software are public domain, he use autom. the 31. he dont loose the "Urheberrecht" but in practise is this the same.
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Old 22 December 2008, 13:57   #67
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And to quote me again:

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Sure, and ALL the German demo maker declared their demos as PD....
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You are all wasting your time, after all, it's Andreas M. you're discussing with here.
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Old 22 December 2008, 13:58   #69
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You are all wasting your time, after all, it's Andreas M. you're discussing with here.
Sure, he has other rights as we.
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It is funny how he will still argue this. He knows perfectly well that Tony does not have specific permission from every author. As this is not possible to get. Most demos don't claim to be PD (as retro-nerd has pointed out). Infact those that even reference to this make specific statements that they are not.

AndreasM's website is about as legal as all the other sites he sends takedown notices to. Yet he will probably continue argue the moral high ground no matter.
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Old 22 December 2008, 14:14   #71
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Quick facts:

- this discussion is pretty much unuseful, you all know it.
- this is still EAB and so you are asked to tone down the heat.
- there's a kind of equilibrium that is far, very far, from being perfect but that allows most parts to be kind of satisfied.
- this is still internet and still a minimality in the grand scheme of things (whatever it is)
- i would throw my (broken) amiga away before to buy, in 2008 any kind of amiga related review.
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It is funny how he will still argue this. He knows perfectly well that Tony does not have specific permission from every author. As this is not possible to get. Most demos don't claim to be PD (as retro-nerd has pointed out). Infact those that even reference to this make specific statements that they are not.
i never say that Tony have all permissions. i say that Tony have all permissions what he need. When a Software are Freeware, he dont need a permission.

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AndreasM's website is about as legal as all the other sites he sends takedown notices to. Yet he will probably continue argue the moral high ground no matter.
where are our paged illegal?
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you didn't read what I wrote. It isn't possible to determine the license of many of the demos without contacting the authors which isn't always easy or possible to do. This contract probably doesn't exist anyway. Stop lying.
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where are our paged illegal?
erm? Do you have any grasp on what we are discussing? You sell the Scene Archives. You don't have permission from the authors of the works on the "collection". This puts your website in the same slot as websites who host some software which you claim to be the copyright holder of.
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i never say that Tony have all permissions. i say that Tony have all permissions what he need. When a Software are Freeware, he dont need a permission.

Sure you need the permission to distribute freeware. You have to check the enduser licence contract for your specific rights. Especially the distribution via charge is mostly forbidden.

And demos are not automatically PD or freeware.

Don't confound it with free software, i.e. Open Office.

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You have been scamming people out of money for your 'supposed' hard work for years with your ridiculous german compilations of 'uberjunk'. You seem to think its your right to persecute anyone who doesn't give you any money for the well dead Amiga platform.
The reality is, you are just kicking a dead horse and waiting for the twitches to provide you a few bucks.
I suggest you get a real job and stop ripping people off with your pseudo legal propaganda.
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Well, I think that summed it up!
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Old 24 December 2008, 22:29   #78
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You have been scamming people out of money for your 'supposed' hard work for years with your ridiculous german compilations of 'uberjunk'. You seem to think its your right to persecute anyone who doesn't give you any money for the well dead Amiga platform.
The reality is, you are just kicking a dead horse and waiting for the twitches to provide you a few bucks.
I suggest you get a real job and stop ripping people off with your pseudo legal propaganda.
Yeah, here's hoping all such scumbags rot in hell...
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Guys, this thread is so full of dead horses being beaten up I don't know where to start....

I must admit that I am also very confused here; EAB can argue the pitch and toss of Public Domain / Urheberrecht or whatever you want to call it in any language, yet you allow clearly illegal 'warez' in the form of cracked games to be posted in the Zone, as admitted earlier in the thread by Andreas - "It's no secret".

I can see why some of the posters in this thread are getting so exasperated with this, as there appear to be double standards all over the place....

Either copyright exists or it doesn't; you can't bend the rules, just because it's convenient to selling a CD of public domain demos. Even freeware, although freely distributable, is subject to copyright.

Troll me if you like, I've been here before on the subject of copyright, you will ingore everyone who disagrees anyway.........
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Guys, this thread is so full of dead horses being beaten up I don't know where to start....

I must admit that I am also very confused here; EAB can argue the pitch and toss of Public Domain / Urheberrecht or whatever you want to call it in any language, yet you allow clearly illegal 'warez' in the form of cracked games to be posted in the Zone, as admitted earlier in the thread by Andreas - "It's no secret".

I can see why some of the posters in this thread are getting so exasperated with this, as there appear to be double standards all over the place....

Either copyright exists or it doesn't; you can't bend the rules, just because it's convenient to selling a CD of public domain demos. Even freeware, although freely distributable, is subject to copyright.

Troll me if you like, I've been here before on the subject of copyright, you will ingore everyone who disagrees anyway.........
I think the main issue came from that Andreas is selling the software where as the Zone and such are for just giving it away.
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