ClassicWB on A600HD.

[prart]

So finally i`m setting up my A600 and after getting used to ClassicWB on A1200 i want to load it up on her smaller sister. Is it possible or AGA is a must?
I`m thinking of Lite edition now and Full when my A630 card arrive. So, will it work?

[Graham Humphrey]

There is a version of ClassicWB specifically for Kickstart 2 machines.

[prart]

sorry, i didn`t mention that A600 is equipped with kick 3.1 - does it make any difference?

[Bloodwych]

As Graham pointed out, there is a GAAE version for 2.0 A600/500+ 68000 machines and no it won't make a difference that you have 3.1 ROMS - it should still work fine.

More and more people seem to be upgrading A600's to 3.1 ROMS. I'll have to get round to creating a 3.1 upgrade script for the GAAE version.

The FULL and above are out of the question, as they require a 68020 for Scalos.

The LITE is a possibility, although you will have to replace a few programs and libs that you'll find will stop working with 68000 versions (it will be trial and error, as I don't know off hand. Dopus will definitely need changing.).

You could download both the GAAE and LITE, then create your own pack in WinUAE by combining the two (replacing 68020 libs and programs in the LITE pack with the 68000 versions from the GAAE pack).

First I'd try the GAAE version, as it runs quickly with very low mem usage, even though you have 3.1 ROMS.

[prart]

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

More and more people seem to be upgrading A600's to 3.1 ROMS. I'll have to get round to creating a 3.1 upgrade script for the GAAE version.

now that would be amazingly fantastic - ClassicWB is such great OS, that i can`t imagine my Amiga usage without it. GAAE is unknown to me - does it have a virtual floppy prog to mount my adf files?

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

The FULL and above are out of the question, as they require a 68020 for Scalos.

but how about A600 with 3.1 upgraded with A630 to 68030 - will FULL edition work on it? is it processor only dependent or AGA does matter?

[mfilos]

I work the Full Edition in my A600 with 030/4MB and works like a charm for the last 6 months.

[Bloodwych]

Originally Posted by prart

does it have a virtual floppy prog to mount my adf files?

As mfilos said, ECS can be used with the FULL.

The GAAE version has the same floppy utilities as the other packs.

[prart]

thank you for your answersr guys.
so i will load GAAE version until 030 upgrade - than i will move to Full edition.

[Bloodwych]

I decided not to touch the GAAE version it's meant to be Workbench 2.0 only and adding 3.x upgrade options complicated issues.

Instead, I now have a beta ClassicWB 68000 (how many versions!!!) that is a modified version of the LITE. Allows Workbench 3.0/3.1 and I've replaced most of the 020 stuff although some libs and C programs might have remained until the final version. All the programs work however.

Give me a pm if you want it.

[sanDae]

my a600 rom is replaced with an rom from an a1200 i think..

[DoogUK]

Originally Posted by sanDae

my a600 rom is replaced with an rom from an a1200 i think..

Not possible

[Gordon]

if i buy a 3.1rom i can use this http://classicwb.abime.net/classicweb/lite.htm?

thanks

[Bloodwych]

Originally Posted by gordonbennett

if i buy a 3.1rom i can use this http://classicwb.abime.net/classicweb/lite.htm?

thanks

If it's an 68000 A600, then you need to use the 68K version (one on the left):

http://classicwb.abime.net/classicweb/68k.htm

[Gordon]

i have just installed the green alien edition on my real amiga. fanastic work and really nice of you to finish it off.

[Bloodwych]

Hi gordenb! Glad it's of use to you. Noticed in the other thread you mentioned:

Originally Posted by gordonbennett

just copy the system.hdf (using ADFVIEW )conetents to a cd(and burn it), load up the amiga, copy the cd contents to DH0, restart and it will ask you for the workbench disc and thats it. easy as that

Did you have the files in an archive on the CD? Or just the files in raw format? If you just extracted the files in windows and copied them over, you may need to reset all the file attributes as they may be set to read only.

You can do this by going to "System->Peel Icons->Attributes" and running the reset script.

[Gordon]

I was just suggesting the CD method as he didnt mention a CF reader, which is what i used. i just copied everything out of the system.hdf on the my flash card. then i put the flash card in my amiga, copied the contents on to my DH0, and restarted and it worked perfect. The file attributes are fine, but thank you. The whole process was actually quicker than installing workbench the conventional way using the 5 disks.

[Gordon]

Bloodwych, i have a problems where some hard drive games wont work. if i boot from my normal workbench it works fine. when i boot from classicwb it doesnt. how can i disable tthe additional programs on startup of classicwb?

thanks


edit: i have temporarly fixed this by renaming my wbstartup folder. When I right click on boot and choose minmum, it doesnt work

[Bloodwych]

The startup-sequences rename the WBStartup drawer too, so you will break things if you change its name.

Everything in the WBstartup drawer can be enabled or disabled in the Settings menu. Try disabling some of the components, like Smart windows which is probably the cause.

You can also of course simply drag some of the startup programs out of the WBStartup drawer, but it's much neater to use the settings menu as you can easily and quickly enable/disable components at your will.

[Bloodwych]

gordonbennett, did you sort this out?

I'd like to know what was causing the problem.

[Gordon]

Hey Bloodwych, No I didnt mange to sort it out fully. I just got round it by renaming the wbstartup folder at the time. It was only for a cracked cannon fodder install I had(Not WHDLOAD) , but im bored of it now and restored my wbstartup to normal.

The problem was this HD Game tries to close workbench but becuase the magic menu thing is open in the background, it couldnt close down. When I took this was out of WBStartup, i lost that functionality(the best point of classicwb) but the game loaded. Where can I edit the startup programs? It is just an on/off switch or do i edit the start up script?

[TheCorfiot]

@gb

If you want a minimal startup to play the game, just hold the right mouse button down during boot

TC

[Gordon]

I tried that TC and it didnt work. Says there were 1 or more programs running.

[TheCorfiot]

Originally Posted by gordonbennett

I tried that TC and it didnt work. Says there were 1 or more programs running.

Did you hold the rt mouse button down (& keep it held down) as soon as you rebooted, It's detected at the beginning of the startup-sequence so no other programs should have started running yet .

TC

[Bloodwych]

Yeah, the right mouse button should have brought up a boot menu on the new ClassicWB's where you can select minimal boot. That's what renames the WBStartup drawer so nothing inside it gets executed on a minimum boot, which is why you may break things if you rename the WBstartup drawer yourself.

On the old versions, rather than a menu, the right mouse button went to a basic Workbench.

I'm not sure why it didn't work or what you mean by 1 program running, but I guess it's kind of irrelevant now anyway.

To answer your question above, yes everything can be enabled or disabled in the settings menu available via the launch icon bottom left (if you are using the latest ClassicWB packs released over xmas).

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

Hi gordenb! Glad it's of use to you. Noticed in the other thread you mentioned:



Did you have the files in an archive on the CD? Or just the files in raw format? If you just extracted the files in windows and copied them over, you may need to reset all the file attributes as they may be set to read only.

You can do this by going to "System->Peel Icons->Attributes" and running the reset script.

Hi, I'm new and I discover this project
I want to install the classic wb 69k version on my A600HD.
This is my system:

A600HD, KS 3.1, HD 6GB (2 partition of 2 GB each) 2MB chip + 4MB (PCMCIA expansion).

Reading the message above, can I simply copy the "system.hdf" on a CF Card, and then copy it in the system partition of my A600HD (renaming it DH0)?

Will it runs or I have to use the winuae method?

[Bloodwych]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Reading the message above, can I simply copy the "system.hdf" on a CF Card, and then copy it in the system partition of my A600HD (renaming it DH0)?

Will it runs or I have to use the winuae method?

You'll have to get the files off the System.hdf first, so yes an emulator will be required for this. Plus it's best to do the activation in an emulator first.

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

You'll have to get the files off the System.hdf first, so yes an emulator will be required for this. Plus it's best to do the activation in an emulator first.

I've extracted all the files in System.hdf with ADFView and copied them in my CF card.
What do you mean when you say I've to activate them first?

Another question: I have WHDLoad 16.8 registered: Where I have to put it (deleting the default whdload in the pack of ClassicWB 68K)?

[Bloodwych]

You can use ADFview, but I can't guarantee you won't run into problems. I've never used this method myself, so haven't checked if file names and attributes are preserved during extraction.

You will need to run the activation/install procedure Amiga side. This is where you provide Workbench disks for the missing files; required for copyright reasons.

As for WHDLoad - no need to delete anything. Just drop the keyfile into the correct drawer ("S" I think?).

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

You will need to run the activation/install procedure Amiga side. This is where you provide Workbench disks for the missing files; required for copyright reasons.

I have original wb disk. The system will ask me for the missing file or have i to use the "real Amiga install.adf" in the package of WB Classic?

[Bloodwych]

It will just ask you to insert a disk into DF0:, emulated or real, so no you don't need to use an ADF. Placing a real disk into the drive should perform the same action whilst running on a real Amiga.

Ok, I'll try netx week and I'll let you know.
Thanks